Is that they usually get their girls at a club. Picking up a drunk chick doesn't mean you have "solid game". I'd like to see a self proclaimed "PUA" to pick up a girl in clear daylight (the girl has to be at least an 8), and not in a dark, crowded place full of retarded, self loathing people who drink because they have a miserable life and decide to spend it with others just to make it seem as if their life is oh so good. Anyone agree?
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
What I have noticed a lot of self proclaimed "PUAs"
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
sageproduct
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
PlayHer Man
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It doesn't matter where or how you get girls.
Listen and listen good: All women care about is what a man offers them.
Things like "game" and "swag" and "clothes" and "lines" are all just smoke and mirrors to get a woman's attention. But if you truly have nothing to offer a woman.. you won't keep her attention. This goes for PUA's who pick up drunk girls in clubs AND men who pick up HB9's at malls or supermarkets using day-game.
If you have nothing to offer beyond an impressive pick-up.. you will get flaked on. Bet on it.
You are focusing on the wrong "problem" OP.
Listen and listen good: All women care about is what a man offers them.
Things like "game" and "swag" and "clothes" and "lines" are all just smoke and mirrors to get a woman's attention. But if you truly have nothing to offer a woman.. you won't keep her attention. This goes for PUA's who pick up drunk girls in clubs AND men who pick up HB9's at malls or supermarkets using day-game.
If you have nothing to offer beyond an impressive pick-up.. you will get flaked on. Bet on it.
You are focusing on the wrong "problem" OP.
What I'm basically saying is that picking up a drunk girl from the club isn't an accomplishment opposed to picking up a sober girl in clear daylight. Now that's a statement everyone can agree with.
But whatever, it's just something that I noticed whilst reading some posts.
But whatever, it's just something that I noticed whilst reading some posts.
PlayHer Man
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Picking up a girl is not an "accomplishment" PERIOD.Wolfbones said:
To view women as "accomplishments" is to view them as "prizes to be won". This is just another form of placing them on a pedestal .
They exist to be your entertainment and sex toys. If the women in your life are fulfilling this purpose.. then you have won. Doesn't matter how you picked her up. Spine plates and stop over-analyzing how each plate entered your life. It doesn't matter.
Mike32ct
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The OP is suggesting that club pickups are easy.
I don't agree with that. Out of 100 guys that enter a club on Friday or Saturday night, how many leave with girls and get laid (despite alcohol being involved)?
I'm going to be extremely generous and say 5.
I don't agree with that. Out of 100 guys that enter a club on Friday or Saturday night, how many leave with girls and get laid (despite alcohol being involved)?
I'm going to be extremely generous and say 5.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
I disagree. They are people, not sex toys. If that is how you consider women, then you'll never have a meaningful relationship with one. Putting them on the level of a person does not mean placing them as better or more important than anything else in your life (ie, on a pedestal), but this does not mean to dehumanize them.PlayHer Man said:
And on an aside, if you give yourself a personal goal if getting laid, and you accomplish that goal, then yes, picking a girl up from the club is an accomplishment. There's nothing to do with a pedestal there, that is simply accomplishing what you set out to do.
PlayHer Man
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Who said I wanted a "meaningful relationship" bro? You realize its 2013 right? Modern women offer very little to a man in long-term relationships these days. Look around and you'll see most men bending over backwards to please a woman while getting no more in return than the man who treats them like cvm-dumpsters. :crackup: :crackup:Plutoman said:
Don't be a sucker. Most women are in the double digits in sex partners by age 21. Relationships in 2013 are for chicks and kids bro. Spit out that blue pill.
Night-hawk
Master Don Juan
Playher man says it best.
That chick you got a number from who was sober most likely will be shooting back shots of cherry whiskey at the club and will most likely turn you down with the day game you spit at her, and end up giving her number out to some guy named Cletus who got her tagina tingling. Most likely she will forget about the guy who she gave her number too earlier for the guy who put quicker tingles in her pants and fancies of future fun with guy she met drunk. She may be more prone to forgetting both though lol. Depends how many tingles she gets for you... Don't be fooled by this idea of where you find her, nor by this grander idea of accomplishment, like Playherman said.
Day, night, Arby's or at a club, a bookstore or a bar who gives a ****...you are making a common mistake of appearance and being deceived by your preconceived ideas of what it means.
Like people say 'you aren't going to meet a good girl at the bar' fuuuuuk that, I sure as **** am not going to wait around and fantasize about the 'right' place. Nope and 'good girl' fuuuuk that I am going to not be fooled by your fancy labels and contrived ideas, nope.
You think it I easy or 'nothing' to pick up 'drunk' chick at a club, solo, without your social circle to whipe your ass? You must be from a different planet. It takes experience and skill my friend.
That chick you got a number from who was sober most likely will be shooting back shots of cherry whiskey at the club and will most likely turn you down with the day game you spit at her, and end up giving her number out to some guy named Cletus who got her tagina tingling. Most likely she will forget about the guy who she gave her number too earlier for the guy who put quicker tingles in her pants and fancies of future fun with guy she met drunk. She may be more prone to forgetting both though lol. Depends how many tingles she gets for you... Don't be fooled by this idea of where you find her, nor by this grander idea of accomplishment, like Playherman said.
Day, night, Arby's or at a club, a bookstore or a bar who gives a ****...you are making a common mistake of appearance and being deceived by your preconceived ideas of what it means.
Like people say 'you aren't going to meet a good girl at the bar' fuuuuuk that, I sure as **** am not going to wait around and fantasize about the 'right' place. Nope and 'good girl' fuuuuk that I am going to not be fooled by your fancy labels and contrived ideas, nope.
You think it I easy or 'nothing' to pick up 'drunk' chick at a club, solo, without your social circle to whipe your ass? You must be from a different planet. It takes experience and skill my friend.
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SamTheHobit
Master Don Juan
Agreed.Plutoman said:
I'll go so far and say player man has mommy issues.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Yeah, I realize it's 2013. I also realize that I don't give a **** about sex toys, random entertainment, I get entertainment from my hobbies. I've got my buddies to chill with and enjoy time with. I can get laid - big deal, it's sex. Sure, feels good. So does having a fun time with buddies. So does hitting the gym and feeling the burn in my muscles. It's not big on my priority list.PlayHer Man said:Who said I wanted a "meaningful relationship" bro? You realize its 2013 right? Modern women offer very little to a man in long-term relationships these days. Look around and you'll see most men bending over backwards to please a woman while getting no more in return than the man who treats them like cvm-dumpsters. :crackup: :crackup:
Don't be a sucker. Most women are in the double digits in sex partners by age 21. Relationships in 2013 are for chicks and kids bro. Spit out that blue pill.
If I'm going to be in a relationship with a girl, I'd rather have a meaningful one. Not about being a sucker, I'm not sure where you live, but here in Kansas there's good girls around. Who the **** says you have to bend over backwards for a chick? Yeah, many men do that. Set yourself apart. Setting yourself apart doesn't mean having a different goal (ie, a meaningful relationship). Setting yourself apart means accomplishing that goal with a chick who's not a dirty slut.
Regardless, they are still people. They've slept around, sure. That disqualifies them from my interest. I've got no interest in black women, regardless of how hot. I've got no interest in the not-so-bright girls. Does any of that get held against them? No way man, they are people. I'm just not interested. Simple fact of it.
Until you've gone and proven that a good woman doesn't exist, don't make claims to the contrary. You can make your assumptions, and I'll make mine. The arguments you give are chock full of fallacies.
You don't want a meaningful relationship - fine. Doesn't mean to treat them as less than human.
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Men value love, but women love value. Judge nismo knows.
Swallow that goddamn red pill! Women like to know what kind of value you're bringing to the table. Thanks to the self proclaimed PUA's and the media, women are walking around like their vaginas are golden, maybe even VVS diamond encrusted!
The value that women look at most are your looks and money. PlayHer Man mentioned a lot, but not this aspect. He and I know damn well that your game, swag, clothes, savoir faire, personality, confidence etc. is all fine and dandy, but none will make you or your bank account better looking. Even Rollo knows this sh*t!
It's all about how attractive you are in her eyes. If she finds you attractive, she'll allow your game to work on her, and you've got lots of room for error. If not, she'll label damn near everything you do and say as unattractive, and you're basically a one hit-point wonder, if you're even in the game to begin with.
BTW, Mike32ct, I agree with your club notion. What you didn't mention is that men don't hold the sex card or the choosing card at all. Also, men's choosing power and relationship cards have fine print on it that states "Useless unless the woman chooses you first." Hence why so many men are dating down and women are dating up. Relationships these days typically last so as long as the man's value holds up or if the woman finds a man of higher value. I don't believe in love at all, since it always disappoints. And don't get me started on the number of the divorce cases and rape cases I've seen! Briffault's Law, not love.
Oh yeah, the "PUA gurus" most likely pay these girls to be in their videos to get chumps to buy their products. This whole thing is only inflating the price of love, sex, and companionship even higher. Men have so much trouble banding together to take the price down, but women have no problems parroting the media because it raises the price!
Case closed.
Swallow that goddamn red pill! Women like to know what kind of value you're bringing to the table. Thanks to the self proclaimed PUA's and the media, women are walking around like their vaginas are golden, maybe even VVS diamond encrusted!
The value that women look at most are your looks and money. PlayHer Man mentioned a lot, but not this aspect. He and I know damn well that your game, swag, clothes, savoir faire, personality, confidence etc. is all fine and dandy, but none will make you or your bank account better looking. Even Rollo knows this sh*t!
It's all about how attractive you are in her eyes. If she finds you attractive, she'll allow your game to work on her, and you've got lots of room for error. If not, she'll label damn near everything you do and say as unattractive, and you're basically a one hit-point wonder, if you're even in the game to begin with.
BTW, Mike32ct, I agree with your club notion. What you didn't mention is that men don't hold the sex card or the choosing card at all. Also, men's choosing power and relationship cards have fine print on it that states "Useless unless the woman chooses you first." Hence why so many men are dating down and women are dating up. Relationships these days typically last so as long as the man's value holds up or if the woman finds a man of higher value. I don't believe in love at all, since it always disappoints. And don't get me started on the number of the divorce cases and rape cases I've seen! Briffault's Law, not love.
Oh yeah, the "PUA gurus" most likely pay these girls to be in their videos to get chumps to buy their products. This whole thing is only inflating the price of love, sex, and companionship even higher. Men have so much trouble banding together to take the price down, but women have no problems parroting the media because it raises the price!
Case closed.
Night-hawk
Master Don Juan
I agree with judge nismo above, for the most part.
Some of you seem unable to see the scope of what playher man is saying, and because you cannot read beyond his choice of words you call it 'dehumanizing', something a dimwit chick would respond.
Because someone mentions sex toys and entertainment it all of a sudden has to do with meaningful relationships. Does everything have to be taken so seriously? We are men and do not need to be shamed for how we express our desires to women and our interests in them, whatever that may be.
Some of you seem unable to see the scope of what playher man is saying, and because you cannot read beyond his choice of words you call it 'dehumanizing', something a dimwit chick would respond.
Because someone mentions sex toys and entertainment it all of a sudden has to do with meaningful relationships. Does everything have to be taken so seriously? We are men and do not need to be shamed for how we express our desires to women and our interests in them, whatever that may be.
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There's no misreading what he said. I quoted it, quite exactly. If he means something else he should clarify it. If you want to attack my arguments, do so directly - don't go for this indirect passive aggressive ****, and don't fall back on fallacies to make a point. His choice of words explicitly states that women are only entertainment and sex toys. I disagree.
There's nothing wrong or shameful in expressing desire to women, and interests. There's nothing wrong in playing the field and ****ing around. There's nothing wrong in rejecting girls. There's nothing wrong in wanting, or not wanting, a relationship.
There is something wrong in considering women as subhuman, or in presuming that every women does the same **** as the ones you have went out to find and **** around with.
@PlayHer Man - if this stuff's considered blue pill, who the **** cares? Stop resorting to petty insults when you try to make a point.
There's nothing wrong or shameful in expressing desire to women, and interests. There's nothing wrong in playing the field and ****ing around. There's nothing wrong in rejecting girls. There's nothing wrong in wanting, or not wanting, a relationship.
There is something wrong in considering women as subhuman, or in presuming that every women does the same **** as the ones you have went out to find and **** around with.
@PlayHer Man - if this stuff's considered blue pill, who the **** cares? Stop resorting to petty insults when you try to make a point.
TeachPlayHer Man said:Who said I wanted a "meaningful relationship" bro? You realize its 2013 right? Modern women offer very little to a man in long-term relationships these days. Look around and you'll see most men bending over backwards to please a woman while getting no more in return than the man who treats them like cvm-dumpsters. :crackup: :crackup:
Don't be a sucker. Most women are in the double digits in sex partners by age 21. Relationships in 2013 are for chicks and kids bro. Spit out that blue pill.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.