"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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What exactly IS the friend zone? Is there a difference between the FZ and LJBF zone?

tophat mcgee

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This is probably a dumb question, but I am curious... Is there a difference between being attracted to someone who's in the friend zone or being in the "let's just be friends" zone?

I heard different things like the friend zone is with someone who doesn't like you and are just a "friend" to make another guy jealous or have someone to ***** and moan to about their life. And that the "let's be friends" zone is being friends with someone who actually cares about you, but doesn't want things to be awkward between the two of them... Or that they're exactly the same area and it's 100% impossible to escape the zones.

Any opinions on this?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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LJBF is when a girl rejects your advances by saying she'd rather be friends. This can often mean she doesn't want anything at all to do with you or even worse wants an emotional tampon. The difference between that and friendship does exist IMO
 

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IMO theres 2 different situation...

sometime a women have interest in you, but since you didnt escalate properly...will give you a chance and put you in the friend zone until you actualy man up to do somthing while she keep giving you some IOI,

but when a women LJBF you, its means shes totaly not interested...
 

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"friend zone" and LJBF refers to when a woman isn't straight-up with you and throws out the whole "I like you as a friend" thing. It's not real friendship. It's them tolerating your presence while being completely unattracted to you. Being friends is fine. That's a different thing. We just use the term "friend zone" because that's how lots of people perceive it -- as a friendship when really it's a low-impact way to push you aside. Very different things.
 

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"friend zone" and LJBF refers to when a woman isn't straight-up with you and throws out the whole "I like you as a friend" thing. It's not real friendship. It's them tolerating your presence while being completely unattracted to you. Being friends is fine. That's a different thing. We just use the term "friend zone" because that's how lots of people perceive it -- as a friendship when really it's a low-impact way to push you aside. Very different things.
were talking about the "rejection freindzone" here...
Tophat you must Have seen guys in the past being really friendly with women- being another Girlfriend to them as the guy thinks this is the way to get the girl, normally the guy doesn’t ever get the girl . and just gets the LJBF rejection.
Its not a strong male way to do it, rather the opposite!

Even in my AFC days when I saw this, it looked wrong- two of my friends did this BIG time, one of the guys eventually went out with a girl (a very strange RL im sure, he must have been last resort for her, I once asked him if he’d shagged her, “I think so” was his answer! :whistle::rolleyes: haha)
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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handle said:
"friend zone" and LJBF refers to when a woman isn't straight-up with you and throws out the whole "I like you as a friend" thing. It's not real friendship. It's them tolerating your presence while being completely unattracted to you. Being friends is fine. That's a different thing. We just use the term "friend zone" because that's how lots of people perceive it -- as a friendship when really it's a low-impact way to push you aside. Very different things.
You know I have actually given this a lot of thought. That isn't real friendship because you want her *****. The can become real friendship if you stop desiring her, but you can't.
 

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It's like two sides of the same coin, there are differences that people can point out between one side and the other but they're one and the same. The common factor is friendship between friendzone and LJBF zone.

A guy is friends with a girl as an excuse to get into her pants or a guy who is rejected or LJBF and hopes to eventually get into her pants seem like the same thing to me. Their motives are the same and their affliction is the same (AFCness) that gets them befriended and worse yet they don't realise what they're doing wrong.
 

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Yeah, 'friends' and 'friend-zone' is different. Never really thought about it, but its true.

I had a female-'friend' tell me she wanted to use me for sex when she was set to break up with her boyfriend. We did hook up once, but I was an AFC and got all weird after that. Still, even before then, we'd talk dirty . . send each other porn. It was weird. But it was seriously a friendship, nothing else.

A friendzone girl would never do that stuff.
 

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"friend zone" and LJBF refers to when a woman isn't straight-up with you and throws out the whole "I like you as a friend" thing. It's not real friendship. It's them tolerating your presence while being completely unattracted to you. Being friends is fine. That's a different thing. We just use the term "friend zone" because that's how lots of people perceive it -- as a friendship when really it's a low-impact way to push you aside. Very different things.
i agree with this. if she says ljbf, it doesnt mean she actually wants you as a close friend.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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