What ElStud has learned from the game.

[oakraiderz2]

Really your better off reading this than taking advice from ass pirates like oakraiderz who see the game as nothing more than "getting p*ssy". Tell me, do you think with his PUA, ass pirate, "I gotta get some p*ssy" mindset, that he actually consistantly pulls? Chances are he doesn't because he's still being fake with him.

So he can go up there be a PUA. I'll be myself. I'll have fun. I'll go out there and keep improving. I won't worry about being rejected. Really it's whatever works for you. Basically I see it as just going out there, trying some things and seeing what works best for my style of gaming a girl.

How are you gonna pretend that you know how i behave when ive posted nothing to allued to such an inane thought? Especially when you become so livid that people post about youre behavior when you habitually display it? You just DONT get it. Even when i give you props for something, you ignore it. Yes you can approach better than i can. Good for you, HOWEVER, you dont understand the idea of taking calculated risk which may actually result in you succeeding. Learn how to advance past just approaching. If you want to get to know girls, cool. It doesnt seem like its the case figuring you havent made any female friends. Youre efforts are useless because youre a social catastrophe. Obviously, youre not a very smart kid in generally. You become so frustrated and resort to name calling. I dont get rejected because i actually know what im doing. When you have girls introducing themselves to YOU, asking for YOURE number, and buying YOU drinks, then you can talk. I actually have a girlfriend who is the most amazing person and tthe love of my life. So before youre dumbass jump off another cliff head first, check how shallow the water is. And by no means am i a PUA. I actually think PUAs are tools, and i think a lot of people on this site, including you, and whats talked about is pretty nerdy sh*t.

 

[ElStud]

well you know how I feel. You know all, so there's nothing I can say. This topic is for anyone who wants to improve their game.

 

[bigjohnson]

This is ElStud and here I'm going to just write about what I've learned from the game thus far in an attempt to help newer members. Hate me, argue against me, this doesn't matter to me as I've been out in the field and I've seen what I've seen from experience.

OK great, you're gonna post from your own experience.

But my opinion on this from my experiences is that looks can help a guy, but can't ultimately get him laid off of just that.

What experience do you base this on? How many times have you been laid that you feel you can draw a realistic opinion on this?



This thread is you being an AW pure and simple, you know you can get attention from people calling you on your BS and it strokes your tiny little ego to get whatever attention you can get.

 

[I'm in the Mood]

This is ElStud and here I'm going to just write about what I've learned from the game thus far in an attempt to help newer members. Hate me, argue against me, this doesn't matter to me as I've been out in the field and I've seen what I've seen from experience. Past that? Okay. Here I'll probably just giving my insights on what my thoughts are on certain subjects of seduction.

The Looks Myth

Okay, the looks argument, we can all debate this for days. But my opinion on this from my experiences is that looks can help a guy, but can't ultimately get him laid off of just that. This is from my experience, game has been more about subcommunication and mindset, more than looks or words. Just look at me, I'm not the greatest looking guy, but I can consistantly go up to girls and get interest(And also many numbers). This is because of my subcommunication and my beliefs, NOT because of my looks.

Rejection

What do I think about rejection? Well first we have to ask what is rejection? In my opinion, it's when a girl does or says something to show she's not interested. So rejection in my book is not only when you ask for the number and she says "no", but it can also be when you just go up to a girl and she straight says "F*ck off" or "Sorry, I can't talk to you".

Having been in the field awhile, I've been rejected quite a bit. But how do you deal with rejection? Well you have to learn to just move on. You have to learn to not react to the rejection and simply move on to the next girl. Girl A at a bar rejects you, move onto Girl B, Girl B at a bar rejects you, move on to Girl C and so on. So yeah, best way to deal with rejection is to just become unreactive to it. Girl rejects you, move on.

Also know that if a girl does reject you, it MAY not necessarily be YOUR fault. She could be having a bad day, her dog might've died, her boyfriend might've dumped her. However, none of this has to do with you, so if you go up to a girl and she immediately blows you out, MOVE ON. Chances are it has NOTHING to do with you [and if it does so what]. Just move on to the next set. Don't look back. Don't think about that last set. MOVE ON. This mindset is one I've been partially working on myself. Now I wasn't the guy who would really be "affected" by rejection, but in the back of my head I still thought about the set a little. Recently, I've been getting rid of that and now I don't even give the rejection another thought after it happens.

Be the real you.

Being the real you is a big part of game. It's just more fun going up to her being real, then going up to her and using some routines or just trying to get in her pants. Now being genuine doesn't mean you can't seduce her, no. And actually getting to know her, DOESN'T mean you'll get stuck in the friend zone. If you do that's your fault. You can still escalate, qualify, get her number, blah blah and still have a genuine good time with her. And some guys'll come back at me saying "lol you'll get in the friend zone" but I'll restate, if you get locked in the friend zone, that's your fault.

Being real, has to be learned though and to actually start being real, you need to figure out who YOU really are when the girls not around. Once you can start being who you really are when talking to her, the conversations will start becoming more genuine and you'll start actually liking the girl for who she is. From here you can start looking for what personality traits and stuff you actually want in a woman.

Another thing I want to touch on this topic is there should be no difference between you when you're talking to a woman and you when you're just by yourself. What I'm saying is there should be no "Pickup Mode" and no "Non Pickup Mode". This means you should act the SAME way as you do all the time when you're talking to woman.

Words Words Words

This is a big problem on these forums. Most of the guys here will teach you that it's all about the words, but that's not true. From my experience, it's mostly about subcommunication. For instance, you can say the BEST line and if your subcommunication is bad, you still won't get interest. On the other hand, you can say the stupidest sh*t and if your subcommunication is GOOD it might work. This is why I say that it's not all about the words.

Most people think you actually "NEED" lines to get a girl interested but that's not so. It's the subcommunication and confidence that you deliver while talking that makes her interested. I've gone up to girls with simple "Hi, I wanted to talk to you", go straight down the rapport line, maybe tell her some stuff about my life and I get numbers. And hell, so longs your subcommunication is good, you can talk about anything. Point in case, I've talked to girls about freaking Pokemon and video games before and they were still interested in the convo.

High Energy

Generally when you're talking to a girl, you should NOT be that high energy in my experience. Most likely if you come in there like REALLY high energy, dancing around and sh*t, they'll see you as the dancing monkey. I went through a phase like this back in HS where I'd just go up to girls all high energy and basically being the dancing monkey. Because they were laughing and reacting I thought I was doing something good. But in the end, I was just being the dancing monkey.

So from my experience, you should just go up to a girl calm and chill. This subcommunicates a lot of good things. It subcommunicates that you can actually be comfortable around a beautiful woman, which is good. It also can subcommunicate that you are confident in your game, as you are very calm and not really nervous. But how can you be calm? Simple, practice just breathing in and breathing out slowly.

But yeah, this is just a little thread I thought I'd make. Flame me

Just about every word here is true; all this is from actual experience.

You guys are all insecure little pvssy key jockeys...Grow up. Experience something new like ElStud has that works for you. All of you should get off your lazy asses and leave your house if you think you can be good Don Juans.

Sometimes you need to shut up in order to grow up. End of story.

 

[bigjohnson]

Sometimes you need to shut up in order to grow up. End of story.

Such 'wisdom' from the barely deepened voice of a wizened 16 year old boy. Sigh. I miss the days when I was dumb enough to think I knew everything.

When you gonna start shaving JR?

 

[user43770]

Such 'wisdom' from the barely deepened voice of a wizened 16 year old boy. Sigh. I miss the days when I was dumb enough to think I knew everything.

When you gonna start shaving JR?

Come on, now. You can learn a lot about life at high school football games.

 

[theunflushables]

Just about every word here is true; all this is from actual experience.

You guys are all insecure little pvssy key jockeys...Grow up. Experience something new like ElStud has that works for you. All of you should get off your lazy asses and leave your house if you think you can be good Don Juans.

Sometimes you need to shut up in order to grow up. End of story.

Yes, what Mike (I refuse to call him ElStud) posted has some very good points. However, these are NOT his original thoughts or views. Any jackass with some time on his hands can skim the Bible and put a post like this together. Hell, some of this advice my mom and dad gave me when I began dating.

Stop licking Mike's arsehole!

 

[ElStud]

You are just assuming man lol, most people who aren't KJing are meeting girls at least once a week, talking to them etc.

Granted, I personally probably meet a new girl every two weeks, but speak to attractive girls I have met before every day, multiple times.

Be a little more open-minded lol, 'cause, some people here are better than me, or you, and they can really help you improve.

But alas, that will never be, because I know you have decided you are only going to trust yourself, and gain skills yourself, and knowledge yourself etc. And that's kinda good, but also you are missing out on some stuff that could help you.

I mean, judging by what everyone says, it's like you only ever approach. Congrats on being a great approacher, but why don't you take it further man? It's time to stop "practicing" DJing!!!! Practice should've finished a LONG time ago!!!

Consider this, that next time when you approach, actually approach with the intention of getting her number/having sex with her! You know man, having the intention of getting p*ssy is AWESOME, because if it wasn't for that intention you would never get it. You can keep approaching, talking to girls etc. but don't you think it's time you move on to the next stage or whatever? Lol

Look at the bolded words, THERE lies the problem.

Yes, what Mike (I refuse to call him ElStud) posted has some very good points. However, these are NOT his original thoughts or views. Any jackass with some time on his hands can skim the Bible and put a post like this together. Hell, some of this advice my mom and dad gave me when I began dating.

Stop licking Mike's arsehole!

You know all brother. However, just saying something isn't gonna make it true. Say whatever, this is what I've learned from my infield experience.

 

[theunflushables]

You're right Mike, saying something isn't going to make it true. However, I make sure I speak the truth before I say anything at all.

I'm glad this what you learned from your infield experience, now on to the next step: Kino, escalation, kissing, sex, and ultimately a satisfying relationship. Why only go part of the way and claim mastery of the subject? And don't say you haven't. Yeah, you may not have said it explicitly, but your defensiveness when anyone dares to critique you or offer you advice says it all for you.

And Mike, these "ass pirates" and KBJ's or whatever you want to call them, most of them don't want to tear you down or hate you. Yeah, there have been a few in the past who were only there to bust your balls, but for the most part we're pushing at you and hounding at you so you'll move forward.

If you don't want to let your precious ego go and continue on the path you are now, that's your decision, but don't come on here with a superior attitude because you approached 20 sets a day. Good for you if you do. I frankly don't have time most days to approach that many sets. And many people here don't need that many approaches to go further than you have ever gone.

Now, should I expect an eloquent and witty rebuttal of "lol. Whatever, get of my d*ck ass pirate"?

 

[SharinganUser]

You're right Mike, saying something isn't going to make it true. However, I make sure I speak the truth before I say anything at all.

I'm glad this what you learned from your infield experience, now on to the next step: Kino, escalation, kissing, sex, and ultimately a satisfying relationship. Why only go part of the way and claim mastery of the subject? And don't say you haven't. Yeah, you may not have said it explicitly, but your defensiveness when anyone dares to critique you or offer you advice says it all for you.

And Mike, these "ass pirates" and KBJ's or whatever you want to call them, most of them don't want to tear you down or hate you. Yeah, there have been a few in the past who were only there to bust your balls, but for the most part we're pushing at you and hounding at you so you'll move forward.

If you don't want to let your precious ego go and continue on the path you are now, that's your decision, but don't come on here with a superior attitude because you approached 20 sets a day. Good for you if you do. I frankly don't have time most days to approach that many sets. And many people here don't need that many approaches to go further than you have ever gone.

Now, should I expect an eloquent and witty rebuttal of "lol. Whatever, get of my d*ck ass pirate"?

ELStud is the equivelant of a martial artist who has read all the texts up to black belt, but he's really only white belt. It doesn't matter how good his points/posts are, I simply can't take advice on how to meet women from someone who hasn't gotten laid. To me that's the same as learning to fight from someone whos only read about fights in a book.

Since Elstud has niether had a relationship(other than platonic) nor lost his virginity, why should anyone take advice from him. You have to understand that there is a difference between understanding women and understanding how to approach women.

If one wants to learn how to approach women, yeah ElStud is an expert at that. However if you want to go further than getting her number, then his advice is moot as he doesn't seem to understand women. If he understood women, then he'd have been intimate with one he approached by now.

Personally, I'd rather further my understanding of women, rather than just learn how to approach.

You shoul also keep in mind that this is the same guy who thought making Yoshi noises and talking about Mario was attractive to women.

 

[sandman6991]

I could waste my time discussing all day, but I'm not gonna "discuss" with people who make bogus assumptions, don't understand my mindset in the first place and also have a whole different mindset about game.

What would you be doing on a discussion forum if your intent isn't to...discuss?

 

[Brighty]

Good advice I guess. It's just regurgitated advice, but congratulations on reposting it nonetheless.

I do think its amusing how ElStud is so defensive when anyone offers criticism - he's insanely self-conscious, even on the internet - but then again he has 75% of this board on ignore so I don't think he's going to get much feedback anyway.

 

[theunflushables]

ELStud is the equivelant of a martial artist who has read all the texts up to black belt, but he's really only white belt. It doesn't matter how good his points/posts are, I simply can't take advice on how to meet women from someone who hasn't gotten laid. To me that's the same as learning to fight from someone whos only read about fights in a book.

Since Elstud has niether had a relationship(other than platonic) nor lost his virginity, why should anyone take advice from him. You have to understand that there is a difference between understanding women and understanding how to approach women.

If one wants to learn how to approach women, yeah ElStud is an expert at that. However if you want to go further than getting her number, then his advice is moot as he doesn't seem to understand women. If he understood women, then he'd have been intimate with one he approached by now.

Personally, I'd rather further my understanding of women, rather than just learn how to approach.

You shoul also keep in mind that this is the same guy who thought making Yoshi noises and talking about Mario was attractive to women.

Oh, I know quite about Mike, I was "on his d*ck" so to say since the day I came back to the community. I remember when he was telling a girl she was going to "throw up like a pig" on a ferris wheel and his line about having a friend that looks like Jesus. I know he won't EVER listen, but dammit I'm stubborn, so I'm going to keep on him until he learns.

No more of this regurgitated bullsh1t.

 

[I'm in the Mood]

I think the OP is more of an attitude outline than direct situational advice.
Believe it or not, the people who have been rejected the most have actually learned more than people with the most success.

Who really cares if it's already been said - the OP is entirely truthful in the attitude suggestion it presents.
But this whole arguement is truth-irrelevant beacuse the only truth that people here seem to believe is "fact: I hate ElStud."

You wouldn't change your mind even if he got away with stealing and fvcking all your girlfriends. You'd just get more frustrated and further your chump attitude towards him.

 

[oakraiderz2]

well you know how I feel. You know all, so there's nothing I can say. This topic is for anyone who wants to improve their game.

No, i really dont. I dont think anyone here does because your responses consist of us being ass pirates and saying how we know everything about you which you feel is bogus. So why dont you tell us how it really is with you? Defend yourself in a somewhat grown up manner rather than becoming upset and wiggin out.

 

[Kev07]

I say whatever, I've seen what I've seen, people can take it or they can't it. You know everything about me, great. Yes, what you think you know is wrong, but who cares, come tommorow I'll still be approaching, getting numbers, having fun, regardless of anything said here. And come tommorow, I'll still be who I am, REGARDLESS of what some idiots on some forum THINK I am.

So it all comes down to this, does a person want to take this advice and improve or don't they.

i havent been on this forum for months and you're still at this phase?

when are you going to step up your game and go on dates and god forbid - getting her back to your place?

 

[ElStud]

i havent been on this forum for months and you're still at this phase?

when are you going to step up your game and go on dates and god forbid - getting her back to your place?

Blah blah blah, haven't had internet in days and come back a few days and it's same thing. Well, like I said earlier, who ever wants to take this advice can take it. I will continue focusing on what I need to focus on seduction wise and keep approaching, trying out new things everyday. My means are beyond becoming "Mr. Ass Pirate". I want to become an actual alpha male and thus the guy with that personality. I want to improve in ALL aspects of life and not just women.

 

[Aragon034]

Blah blah blah, haven't had internet in days and come back a few days and it's same thing. Well, like I said earlier, who ever wants to take this advice can take it. I will continue focusing on what I need to focus on seduction wise and keep approaching, trying out new things everyday. My means are beyond becoming "Mr. Ass Pirate". I want to become an actual alpha male and thus the guy with that personality. I want to improve in ALL aspects of life and not just women.

Hmm... you're in one of those peddle boats made for two people, but there's no one with you and you're just going in circles. Sure you move but you always end up in the same place. That's the mental image i get when i think of your seduction techniques.

jebus, i've been busy recently so i've been away from the site. But WTF? didn't you make a thread like this a few months ago and come to the same conclusion? that we're all asspirates who can either learn from you or go KBJ our lives away?

Grow up man, just about any way you cut this cookie you're not showing real Alpha Male tendancies so get off that soapbox. A Human Alpha male derives respect from things other then defending his territory so you can stop marking your territory with uncreative insults and obvious cries for attention.

 

[I'm in the Mood]

I've been defending the OP but I was just reading some of the other posts here including my own and the one recurring theme here is immaturity, and I apologize on my part for continuing it.

It seemed to me like all of you were trying to pick fights just for the hell of it basically, and elstud was being overdefensive which completely ruins his mindset and concurrently the reliability of his advice.

I think it's wonderful that we're all here to improve ourselves but I think for many of us, as Aragon said, are going around in circles. Love the peddle boat metaphor you used btw.

One thing that I've taken out of this thread is that everybody needs to try new things and learn techniques on their own from their own experience, and though the OP contains some really good material, you can still build off it immensely if you add more new experiences onto it.

Keep changing your mind and changing the way you think. I think being open to new opinions and recognizing flaws in your own opinions are huge parts of what your personal mindset should be in a mature fashion.

 

[bigjohnson]

I've been defending the OP but I was just reading some of the other posts here ....

Some people here probably hate Mike, but the vast majority really would just love to see him progress and push out of the rut he's dug for himself. You'll see us try to get him mad, or to encourage, or any variety of things to GET HIM TO MOVE HIS ASS, but nothing seems to work so far.

I mean for the love of God, I had a package to send the other night and when the semi-cute UPS store girl asked for my phone number I looked her in the eye and said "You're not gonna ask me out or something are you?". She sort of blushed and giggled and said "Well, I might ...." - I ended up with her number. Not gonna call her but it was fun to flirt around a little.


That ^^^^ is not really worth posting!!!!! But it's what Mike does over and over.