"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
what does typical DJ look like?
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Delta
Master Don Juan
such things are possible. it is also possible that if you press your hand against a table long enough, it will actually go through (quantum physics wise that is...) but this is the path of most resistance.
clothing depends on the chick. her social circle as well as her subculture and financial standings.
banana republic and gap is good upper middle class wasp brands.
you should work out and your body should look like the body of a man and not a boy.
your hair shouldn't be long. generally frowned upon. short and styled... crew cut probably not the best either. you should also sport no intentional facial hair (goatees, mustaches, beards). stubble on occasion is ok.
care about your shoes. you should own sneakers (sports style for sports only), sneakers dressy (like adidas, pumas, skechers) for casual hangout, brown leather laceups (a good solid brown [not red] but a bit dark [but definitely not going toward black), black leather laceups and a pair of boots.
levis jeans are good general all purpose trousers. straight leg (i.e. boot cut) is good. khakis are good. dressier trousers should be flatfront, cuffed if you're tall, uncuffed if you are not. socks should match pants. white socks should not be worn with your leather shoes.
leather belt to match shoes.
watch - as expensive as you can afford (don't make it hurt though, EASILY afford). get a MECHANICAL watch if possible. quartz tells you the time but doesn't have the nifty classical factor. you can get mechanicals now from timex, fossil and seiko. i have a seiko dive watch.
leather jacket. sport coats.
shirts - button downs, tshirts, polos, henleys. they should all fit to show off your masculine physique.
got it?
delta
I own a 400$ jacket from Danier, it's black with a brown trim and has a brown shading. It basically looks like it's been worn out already but tastefully. Many people have told me it's the hottest jacket they've ever seen many complete strangers have comlimented me on it.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
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i would say that is more middle class for americans. upper middle class for america would be some of the hugo boss lines. gap is dirt cheap. i am not taking shots at either brand, but americans are making good money these days. if they can stand out in the rain and cold all night for a playstation 3 they can afford to upgrade to hugo boss or similar brands.
don't buy a leather jacket unless it is a good one. $200 will not buy you a good one. a good one will cost at least $1000. ain't cheap, but it is very easy to tell. plenty of good options if you don't want to unload that kind of cash on a leather coat. if you travel much i would definitely avoid the leather coat.
delta must have gotten that off of some "how to pick up a cute boy" site. very gay sounding indeed. the fact of the matter is that americans are pigs. someone needs to outlaw the flip-flop. i can't wait to hear the sound that tall thin ukraine girls make when they walk. the clicking of heels against the pavement is one that only they provide me with.
what do girls want? uh, they want guys who have lots of money. practically every girl is a gold-digger. simply how we are made as humans. the dude with the most food and biggest muscles was once king. those days are long gone. how much are we talking about before girls start demanding you? in middle america i would say that would be upwards of $1 million liquid. in manhattan i would say that it might be upwards of $10 million liquid. in moldova i would say upwards of $150, or whatever it costs for a new american passport.
Kev07
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as for myself, i want to get a blazer but don't have the money yet
sparky obviously has expensive taste. I come from an upper class Canadian neighborhood but I do not know anybody with a 1000$ anything as far as clothing is concerned.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Kev07
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i'm going to go look for jobs.
Delta
Master Don Juan
ooo, express men is great too... nice sport coats there too.
i don't know what america you live in but americans aren't rolling in it... consumer confidence is not relatively high and this holiday season is down from previous years. hugo boss is upper class in my mind. i'm not upper middle (maybe barely) but it doesn't sound like upper middle to me. maybe if you spent your money on nothing but clothes.
and those kids had to sell a LOT of crystal meth to get that playstation 3.
kev07, it's all relative. you can dress well from TARGET. they actually have some really nice stuff that i pick up all the time too.
old navy is great too if you can find stuff that doesn't say "old navy" all over it (there's lots) and it's owned by the company that owns both banana republic and gap. a lot of their clothes are interchangeable, just with different brand cache.
if you don't get hung up on brand names, it's never been more possible to dress well affordably. but admittedly, you won't appeal to women who are looking for versace, gucci, armani, savile row, hugo boss, etc.
as for leather lace ups, man, does it every depend on where you are in life in regards to this. a pair of church's oxfords are around $600.... italian loafers can get into the thousands. but they say that if you're going to splurge anywhere, it should be on the shoes because if you take care of them, a well made pair of shoes can last you a very long (if not a life) time. anything from europe is nicer but too expensive.
my most expensive pair is johnston murphy which is the best i can afford and pretty good... $180. they have a great lineup actually, i recommend them for a $100 - $250 range.
but shoes are a somewhat pricey pursuit and is irrelevant in most american situations. it is definitely a mark of style but a mark of style that seems to be going out of style to a certain degree. americans simply don't care that much about it anymore. there is very little sense of decorum these days, even in places where you would expect it like weddings and such. so if you pay even a moderate amount of attention to what you are wearing, brand names may not mean much. unless you float in rareified circles, $80 laceups (mostly for a suit) and pumas/addidas will get you where you need to go. i think even johnston murphy's are overkill but i kinda ended up digging shoes.
oh, and general fashion stuff - check out GQ, esquire, cargo used to be great before they got canceled and men's health. they feature style from all across the budget spectrum (though less reasonable in gq, more reasonable in men's health). if you get that look - and it's a pretty specific kind of look - you're good to go. it is generic in its way but this is the look.
also, generally, men's health is a good monthly bible in my opinion. it's played a really important part in my ongoing evolution.
delta
Delta
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more than anything, i think women want their men to look APPROPRIATE. that they BELONG wherever it is they find themselves.
being awkward or not fitting in is the pariah of every woman. it is their ultimate horror and they cannot possibly tolerate the embarassment of a guy who does not fit in.
so fit in, be appropriate, exceed requirements by a little if possible. do it by a lot and you may come off as a showoffprick.
delta
dj ben2
Senior Don Juan
what about fakes is it hard to tell for a normal person the difference between a fake and an original watch>?Delta said:
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Delta
Master Don Juan
rolexes, omegas, etc. are all MECHANICAL watches - they are not BATTERY POWERED (quartz). and the way that you can tell is that the SECOND HAND makes many little movements to get to the next second. quartz watches leap from second to second.
imo, it's waaaaay more cheesy to sport a fake. also, they don't make fakes of NON EXTRAVAGANT WATCHES and if you can't afford an omega, you probably shouldn't look like you're trying.
old navy clothing, a honda accord and a rolex just doesn't fit.
it makes the discrepancy between what you are and what is possible seem larger.
just trick yourself out as well as you can.
delta
Delta
Master Don Juan
sigh...JesterX said:
i encounter this kind of thing soooooooooo much on these boards these days. the "do what you want", "it doesn't matter" approach.....
see, problem with this approach is that many guys actually LIKE wearing their yu-gi-oh tshirts, khaki shorts and socks with birkenstocks.
you are not allowing for the fact that your instincts can be very very very wrong depending on who you are.
THEREFORE,
we issue basic recommendations. and we read men's fashioin mags - which would not exist if we didn't want to get laid.
delta
Jack McCrack
Senior Don Juan
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.