"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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joe45

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went out with this girl i met off a dating site. we went out total of 5x's. 3 wks ago she told me i could come over to her house and have a sleepover--since her parents are staying overnight in seattle for the day(we dont have privacy in the place with live at), well 4 days came close to that date and said maybe maybe-when i phoned her if i could come over, well 1 day before and she says No.

when i told her shes just a tease for doing what she did-she said no and said she didnt want to rush into things-since she rush into a lot of things before and they never worked out.

if your going to say it then stick with it.

another thing i notice about her is she harassed me to get a phone plan(this one the 2nd date) since i was on prepaid minutes before. she said so we can talk and get to now each other better.

well when i told her i got a plan-u think she would phone more, but she doesnt. she only calls me if i call her first.

also everytime i call her she'll talk for like 3 minutes and then say oh i'll call you back. sometimes she will other times she wont and if she does its like 2hrs or even more afterwards.
she tell me to make her a apple pie, or bring some cakes so she can taste them-all this on 2nd date. lol -i work as a chef

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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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joe45 said:
went out with this girl i met off a dating site. we went out total of 5x's. 3 wks ago she told me i could come over to her house and have a sleepover--since her parents are staying overnight in seattle for the day(we dont have privacy in the place with live at), well 4 days came close to that date and said maybe maybe-when i phoned her if i could come over, well 1 day before and she says No.
Why would you ask her again... 4 days before??? You just assume those plans are made and that's that, and if she cancels the plans for that night to
sleep over then you bail on her and do something else. She basically is telling you that she is going to control when you two are going to have sex (Not fun, trust me) and that she is in the lead.

when i told her shes just a tease for doing what she did-she said no and said she didnt want to rush into things-since she rush into a lot of things before and they never worked out.

if your going to say it then stick with it.
They never mean what they say. One of two things happened: Either she did mean to have you stay over and you became so eager about it that you scared her off the idea OR she was just testing you to see how you'd respond and never intended for you to stay over.

another thing i notice about her is she harassed me to get a phone plan(this one the 2nd date) since i was on prepaid minutes before. she said so we can talk and get to now each other better.

well when i told her i got a plan-u think she would phone more, but she doesnt. she only calls me if i call her first.

also everytime i call her she'll talk for like 3 minutes and then say oh i'll call you back. sometimes she will other times she wont and if she does its like 2hrs or even more afterwards.
You failed that test. She basically proved that she can bend you to her will. Basically, if she can get you to get a phone plan just for HER, then she can make you do anything. Thus, you are no longer of interest for her. She's just messing with you. You should have stuck to your guns and said: NO, I am not getting a plan.

You should have put your foot down and not caved into her demands. To you, it was just a phone plan... to her, it was a whole relationship flashing before her eyes and crashing down on the ground like a pile of shattered glass.


she tell me to make her a apple pie, or bring some cakes so she can taste them-all this on 2nd date. lol -i work as a chef

what do you think of this??
Tell her to make YOU apple pie.
And the only cake she should be tasting is that strudel in between your legs.

Stop bending to her will.
 

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I don't know exactly what everything means but I don't think I would get a cell plan or make a woman pies just because she asks you to.

When she asks about the cell plan, you could have said nahh I'm comfortable with the prepaid plan and I'm really busy with work, gym, and hobbies so I don't have a lot of time to talk on the phone....but it is fun talking to you so we can get together again to hang out and get to know one another.

When she asks about you baking her pies or making her desert, you could have said maybe sometime if you deserve it or you could say what is in it for me...I'm busy so I can't just be making pies and deserts for anyone.

Lastly, if you met her on a dating site, then she probably is seeing more men than just you and she could be delaying escalation to see which man she likes the best. Keep seeing her and having fun and qualify her to see if she meets what you are looking for and take action to escalate your intimate encounters. Also, I highly recommend finding and dating more women at the same time as her.
 

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She know´s she has complete control. From now on you have two choices:

1) You continue doing what you´ve been doing so far, i.e., bow to her will and show her she controls you totally. If you decide to go with this one, I suggest you to buy a lot of aspirins...

2) Start acting like a man. Anyway, I think it could be too late for that, I´m afraid. Nevertheless, being or not being too late, my advice is for you to stick with this choice.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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joe45 said:
went out with this girl i met off a dating site. we went out total of 5x's. 3 wks ago she told me i could come over to her house and have a sleepover--since her parents are staying overnight in seattle for the day(we dont have privacy in the place with live at), well 4 days came close to that date and said maybe maybe-when i phoned her if i could come over, well 1 day before and she says No.
You may have come across as too eager or maybe she was just leading you on. Either way, you should have been more cautious and made her chase you more. By keep asking her if your plans were still on you sounded insecure and desperate to her.


when i told her shes just a tease for doing what she did-she said no and said she didnt want to rush into things-since she rush into a lot of things before and they never worked out.
Bullsh!t excuse. She wasn't attracted.


another thing i notice about her is she harassed me to get a phone plan(this one the 2nd date) since i was on prepaid minutes before. she said so we can talk and get to now each other better.

well when i told her i got a plan-u think she would phone more, but she doesnt. she only calls me if i call her first.
So when she says "jump", you say "how high?".

Why did you change your phone plan for some girl you barely know? Big mistake IMO. Now she got you set up as another orbiter calling her all the time.


also everytime i call her she'll talk for like 3 minutes and then say oh i'll call you back. sometimes she will other times she wont and if she does its like 2hrs or even more afterwards.
she tell me to make her a apple pie, or bring some cakes so she can taste them-all this on 2nd date. lol -i work as a chef

what do you think of this??
Why did you keep calling her then if it's obvious she's taking your attention for granted? The first time a girl starts acting like she's too good for you, you say fine and leave her alone. Make her realize what a mistake she's made.

And don't make her a cake or pie. She doesn't deserve it.

She sounds like an attention wh0re. But remember the way she's acting is a result of what you brought out in her. Girls will get away with whatever you let them get away with. Maybe she's a tease or maybe she was initially interested. It doesn't matter anymore. It's time to next her.
 

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Originally Posted by joe45
went out with this girl i met off a dating site. we went out total of 5x's. 3 wks ago she told me i could come over to her house and have a sleepover--since her parents are staying overnight in seattle for the day(we dont have privacy in the place with live at), well 4 days came close to that date and said maybe maybe-when i phoned her if i could come over, well 1 day before and she says No.

Why would you ask her again... 4 days before??? You just assume those plans are made and that's that, and if she cancels the plans for that night to
sleep over then you bail on her and do something else. She basically is telling you that she is going to control when you two are going to have sex (Not fun, trust me) and that she is in the lead.

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when i told her shes just a tease for doing what she did-she said no and said she didnt want to rush into things-since she rush into a lot of things before and they never worked out.

if your going to say it then stick with it.

They never mean what they say. One of two things happened: Either she did mean to have you stay over and you became so eager about it that you scared her off the idea OR she was just testing you to see how you'd respond and never intended for you to stay over.

Quote:
another thing i notice about her is she harassed me to get a phone plan(this one the 2nd date) since i was on prepaid minutes before. she said so we can talk and get to now each other better.

well when i told her i got a plan-u think she would phone more, but she doesnt. she only calls me if i call her first.

also everytime i call her she'll talk for like 3 minutes and then say oh i'll call you back. sometimes she will other times she wont and if she does its like 2hrs or even more afterwards.

You failed that test. She basically proved that she can bend you to her will. Basically, if she can get you to get a phone plan just for HER, then she can make you do anything. Thus, you are no longer of interest for her. She's just messing with you. You should have stuck to your guns and said: NO, I am not getting a plan.

You should have put your foot down and not caved into her demands. To you, it was just a phone plan... to her, it was a whole relationship flashing before her eyes and crashing down on the ground like a pile of shattered glass.


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she tell me to make her a apple pie, or bring some cakes so she can taste them-all this on 2nd date. lol -i work as a chef

what do you think of this??

Tell her to make YOU apple pie.
And the only cake she should be tasting is that strudel in between your legs.

Stop bending to her will.
+1 for the nice respond, You understand the situation quite well ! I've had the same issue where the woman invited me over to her place, only to cancel the couple hours before. My respond: Ok, no problem call me back when you have some free time and we'll try to hang out...

Never happen, so I deleted her phone number and Facebook. Guess who's try to add me back couple of weeks later ... To OP: Be a man, don't deal with flaky girls, it's a waste of time and you need believing in yourself in your ability to attract other girls.
 

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starplayer said:
You may have come across as too eager or maybe she was just leading you on. Either way, you should have been more cautious and made her chase you more. By keep asking her if your plans were still on you sounded insecure and desperate to her.




Bullsh!t excuse. She wasn't attracted.




So when she says "jump", you say "how high?".

Why did you change your phone plan for some girl you barely know? Big mistake IMO. Now she got you set up as another orbiter calling her all the time.




Why did you keep calling her then if it's obvious she's taking your attention for granted? The first time a girl starts acting like she's too good for you, you say fine and leave her alone. Make her realize what a mistake she's made.

And don't make her a cake or pie. She doesn't deserve it.

She sounds like an attention wh0re. But remember the way she's acting is a result of what you brought out in her. Girls will get away with whatever you let them get away with. Maybe she's a tease or maybe she was initially interested. It doesn't matter anymore. It's time to next her.

i didnt call her everyday, more like once every 2 days just to say hello and stuff since i had more minutes on my cell.
i going to next her.
 

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joe45 said:
i didnt call her everyday, more like once every 2 days just to say hello and stuff since i had more minutes on my cell.
i going to next her.
I call girlfriends once every 2 days. Girls who I haven't banged yet might get a phone call on a Tuesday to set up a date for Thursday. And that's it.

Can't do the chit-chat thing for girls who aren't putting out. Time is valuable.

But you're making the smart choice. Next the girl. There's nothing worse than a time-waster.
 

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I need to bestow some wisdom for your ass.

joe45 said:
went out with this girl i met off a dating site.

Not that it's important, but which one?

we went out total of 5x's.

Did you f**k her? Did you kiss her?

3 wks ago she told me i could come over to her house and have a sleepover--since her parents are staying overnight in seattle for the day(we dont have privacy in the place with live at), well 4 days came close to that date and said maybe maybe-

This isn't good for you. Maybe is a nice way women use to say no.

when i phoned her if i could come over, well 1 day before and she says No.

Proved my above statement.

when i told her shes just a tease for doing what she did-she said no and said she didnt want to rush into things-

I don't want to rush things. Translation: I still want to shop around since you don't seem like the best deal.

since she rush into a lot of things before and they never worked out.

Had you been more attractive i.e. been fearless, take control, etc. you wouldn't even get this bullsh*t excuse. Only you caused her to flake.

if your going to say it then stick with it.

No! Man your ass up and understand that women are hard to understand. But they love the alpha male. You weren't it here. Etch things in stone, not jello! It's super effective!

another thing i notice about her is she harassed me to get a phone plan(this one the 2nd date) since i was on prepaid minutes before.

You need only take this as a suggestion and nothing more. If you still want prepaid minutes, then just do it! You aren't this woman's slave. Hmmm, but then again...

she said so we can talk and get to now each other better.

You should have told her how you were going to communicate with this woman. DJ tactics would be super effective here. Take charge. A DJ doesn't let a woman run his goddamn life!

well when i told her i got a plan-u think she would phone more, but she doesnt.

2 problems. #1, you showed desperation. #2, you made it seem like this girl is your oneitis. Ugh! I smell corndogs!

she only calls me if i call her first.

Not good. You got more time invested into her than she does into you.

also everytime i call her she'll talk for like 3 minutes and then say oh i'll call you back.

A DJ uses the phone to set up a date, not to chit chat about reruns. Etch plans in stone then say you're busy with (insert interesting hobby here) and that you'll call her back. The ball is still in your court if you do this. Get off the phone with her FTW! But you were left on the cliffhanger by holding her on the phone. She has girlfriends for that sh*t. So why would you play this role? Don't do it again.

sometimes she will other times she wont and if she does its like 2hrs or even more afterwards.

This is the treadmill effect. You keep running but you are getting nowhere.

she tell me to make her a apple pie, or bring some cakes so she can taste them-all this on 2nd date. lol -i work as a chef

Don't let women run you over! Have her cook you dinner!

what do you think of this??

I think, no, I know you were scared to take control. Well, you need to take control! Take charge and just do it like Nike!
Read betwe-Be a man and take charge, ok? Have other options too.
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

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