"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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What does a woman mean when she says she is "only looking for friends"?

MatureDJ

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I came across this profile, and the first line jumped out at me:

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/baby_carrot

PLEASE NOTE: I'M ONLY LOOKING FOR FRIENDS, NOT DATES AT THIS POINT OF MY LIFE. Thank you for your respect and understanding :)
You should message me if

You're an adventurer and a traveller, you're smart, intelligent and have a great sense of humor, you're a good dancer (or willing to learn :) ), you're fun to be around :)
Now, why is the world would a woman have a profile on OkCupid and only be looking for friends? Is it just a way for her to preemptively blow off any suitor she doesn't care for ("like I told you from the beginning, I'm only looking for friends") while she would always have the right to say to the right man that she wants to be more than friends?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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And she'll be the first one to drop her panties when George Clooney walks in the door. Don't listen to what they say. Women say all sorts of schitt.

-Putting it the way she does makes her feel better about joining a "dating" site.

-Or maybe she has little emotional control when she's around a guy she is attracted to so this is her way of trying to demobilize the man.

-Perhaps she's spread her legs too soon in the past and been burnt.
 

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She sounds totally FOS to me. How is a pretty dance instructor single? She's just a fancy AW...
 

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These "dates" as "friends" can be a lot of fun:

She wants to be able to meet you in person as "just friends" and if she doesn't like you, this way in her mind she won't have to call it a "date". And thus, she doesn't feel like such a player.

I have been out with women like this on a first date as "just friends" and fvcked them that night.

Just go with it and say "oh ok". If you meet her and like her, say something like "You are a lot of fun like many of my other friends". Make her think you don't like her.. Then she will want you more and try to sell herself to you.
 

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IMO, it sounds like she has a BF but wants to look for new prospects. I've run into a few like that on OKC who are just looking for friends. That's how she covers her ass in case the new prospect turns out to be less interesting than her current investment. She has the "he's just a friend" line to give her BF when he suspects something's going on.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Dear MDJ,
Amongst prudish Women of Feminist inclinations it is seen as demeaning to want a Romantic Relationship....Almost Immoral and certainly letting the side down,to advertise for such...I would disregard that Woman...
"In vain to the Bird,does the Hunter display his net"She has warned you,proceed at your peril!
 

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Scaramouche said:
Dear MDJ,
Amongst prudish Women of Feminist inclinations it is seen as demeaning to want a Romantic Relationship....Almost Immoral and certainly letting the side down,to advertise for such...I would disregard that Woman...
"In vain to the Bird,does the Hunter display his net"She has warned you,proceed at your peril!
In other words, it's a game to get to her pink smelly cave. Go get it!!

Fvcking women... They are a....... Aww, ****. I am drunk tonight. I better not say it..
 

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logicallefty said:
These "dates" as "friends" can be a lot of fun:

She wants to be able to meet you in person as "just friends" and if she doesn't like you, this way in her mind she won't have to call it a "date". And thus, she doesn't feel like such a player.

I have been out with women like this on a first date as "just friends" and fvcked them that night.

Just go with it and say "oh ok". If you meet her and like her, say something like "You are a lot of fun like many of my other friends". Make her think you don't like her.. Then she will want you more and try to sell herself to you.
^this.

I've run into this quite a few times. I've taken it as an extreme form of ASD. Plus it gives her a way out if she doesn't end up liking you. And if she does like you, then well, of course you'll bang her even though you're under the notion as friends, you're a guy!! She's coming across as "just friends" from the get go, so it's up to her to decide if you two escalate it, which is pretty much the case on most dates anyways.

IMO women like this are either extremely smart or extremely dumb. I've run into this a few times while talking to chicks on Tinder: "I like relationships to start out as friends, then let it naturally grow into something else." On Tinder of all places!! The absurdity of that statement alone has turned me off and made me next them on the spot, even if they seemed interested in me.

However, if it is just a form of ASD, and I want to play the game, then I guess I could just go along with it. But what has irked me about women who say this, is it starts the man at an automatic disadvantage, not only because she's saying they want to be friends (which, saying that before actually meeting you, in itself is essentially meaningless) but the fact that if you agree to go out with her under that context, then wouldn't you automatically be seen as beta??? She LJBF'd you, and you're agreeing to go out with her....as a friend, and nothing more. It isn't what it is because she really didn't LJBF you, but wouldn't she say to herself: "Is this guy that much of a loser that he's agreeing to go out with me even though I told him I just want to be friends!!"

On that note, I guess if you word it right, like logicalefty states "You are a lot of fun like many of my other friends" or you could say, " sure I have a few chick friends that I go out with, they make great wing women." Something like that, then fvck, I guess it could work. I just don't know if I have the patience to try it out.
 
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