"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Arthy

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First, i wanted to say thanks to the community, i've been lurking on the forums for a couple of months and i've learned a lot of things. I'm 20 year old kid who still has much to learn.
I came here looking for an answers when my ex-gf (hb 8.5) who i had been in relationship for almost 2 year was giving me a hard time. I wasn't a complete afc to be honest.My mistake was, i was always there for her, too available, whenever she would feel like it. As soon as i read the bible, i dumped her and haven't heard from her ever since nor i plan to.

This post isn't about my ex, its about the girl i've been in contact recently.
So there is this girl, hb 8.5, 18 years old.
My friend had a crush on her over the years, and he was a total wuss, instead of trying to have a conversation with her and take her number, he just kept liking everything she posts on facebook.
So, like a month ago we got drunk at my place and i told him, "do something about that girl or i will". He said that he doesn't care so i poked her (great move, i know) on facebook to piss him off.
Nevertheless, the day after, she added me as friends and poked me back, so a couple of days after i asked her for a phone number over the chat.
She replied saying "Isn't it too early to ask me for a number? I need to get to know you first" she was using lots of smileys so i figured she had some interest.
Me: Getting to know me over facebook?
HB: I thinks that's ok till i get to know you.

(She's posting lots of smileys while texting but i wont include them in this conversation)
Two or three days after, i came back from the bar, it was like 2-3 am, she was online, so i started a convo saying "Is there anything intresting to do at 3 am"
HB: Not really, but maybe you can change that.
We chatted for like 40 minutes and i made her give me her phone number without asking.
HB: I'm going to bad. Good night.
Me: Can i have a gn kiss?
HB: :*
HB: What about me?
Me: What about you?
HB: Can i have a gn kiss?
Me: Not over a chat.
HB: In person? A cheek kiss for start.
Me: We'll see
HB: How come you're asking me for a kiss but you don't even have my phone number?
Me: Well, you didnt want to give me your phone number
HB: Hereeeee it is xxxxxxxxxx
Me: great, you deserve a kiss now
HB: I'm gone to bad, cya.
A day after, she initiated the conversation on fb saying "what's up" i ignored her and logged off since i was busy trying to setup my mmorgp server.

A week after, on saturday, i send her a message on her phone saying "Are you alive?"
HB: Wow, you actualy remembered me.
Me: You doubt me? Lets see eachother tomorrow at 8.
HB: Sometimes, i do. That's a surprise, i can't go out tomorow, its a sunday, but i'm free tonight!
Me: Some other time than, i'm tired, gonna go to bed early tonight.
HB: Sure, sweet dreams ( with me in them) ^_^

So that was like 3-4 days ago, i'm gonna ask her out next week because im now too busy studying (law student)

She is one of the few normal hot chicks with lots of orbiters and guys hitting on her. I live in a small town (30k people) and normal hb 7+ chicks are kinda rare, since most of them are already taken or they have some mental dissorder.

So i want your opinion guys, is there anything i did wrong?

Sorry for my bad english, not a native speaker.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Arthy said:
So i want your opinion guys, is there anything i did wrong?.
Besides the cheesy beginning lol, no. I consistently get numbers off of facebook. Its the perfect bridge from meeting a girl at a social event to the # close. Anyways the only mistake I see is this:

Arthy said:
Me: You doubt me? Lets see eachother tomorrow at 8.
I dont like asking to make plans like this because if she is legit busy...your toast and now rely on a counteroffer. From now on go with "Lets see each other this week. What days are you free?". Pick a day that she gives you and a time = Definite plans.

Arthy said:
So that was like 3-4 days ago, i'm gonna ask her out next week because im now too busy studying
I wouldnt wait this long. Girls are very wishy washy about guys timing and from her quote earlier about "remembering her" she may need to be a girl that you have to strike when the iron is hot. Interest is definitely there so instead of waiting a week I would just text her soon and say:

Me: Hey, what days are you free next week?
Her: Hi. Im free x,y, or z.
Me: Cool y at 7pm lets get some food and drinks at abc place
 

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TheException said:
Besides the cheesy beginning lol, no. I consistently get numbers off of facebook. Its the perfect bridge from meeting a girl at a social event to the # close. Anyways the only mistake I see is this:



I dont like asking to make plans like this because if she is legit busy...your toast and now rely on a counteroffer. From now on go with "Lets see each other this week. What days are you free?". Pick a day that she gives you and a time = Definite plans.



I wouldnt wait this long. Girls are very wishy washy about guys timing and from her quote earlier about "remembering her" she may need to be a girl that you have to strike when the iron is hot. Interest is definitely there so instead of waiting a week I would just text her soon and say:

Me: Hey, what days are you free next week?
Her: Hi. Im free x,y, or z.
Me: Cool y at 7pm lets get some food and drinks at abc place
Thanks
I just got back from i date,she agreed to go out even tho she is going to another city early in the morning. We went for a coffe, she did most of the talking.
When i drove her back, i tried to teach her how to drive a car, but she sucked at it then i said "remember that kiss i owe you?" She said "Yeah"
I kissed her on a cheak and she went for my mouth. We kissed for like 5 seconds than i said "you asked only for a cheak kiss, have fun tomorow" (the look on her face for priceless) and drove myself home.
 
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