What do you think of declining sperm counts?

[Pierce Manhammer]

My testosterone was in the high 700s at my last test because I do not eat soy or processed foods, I lift weights/exercise, keep a normal weight, no porn, and no fap.

Those are good numbers, depending on your age. They mirror mine in my 50's. The minute my numbers drop below 600 or I feel a difference; I will hop on TRT. I test every 6 months.

 

[SW15]

Those are good numbers, depending on your age. They mirror mine in my 50's. The minute my numbers drop below 600 or I feel a difference; I will hop on TRT. I test every 6 months.

That was a test in my late 30s.

 

[Pedrito0906]

Those are good numbers, depending on your age. They mirror mine in my 50's. The minute my numbers drop below 600 or I feel a difference; I will hop on TRT. I test every 6 months.

Imagine how I felt at 380

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Imagine how I felt at 380

I believe the bottom of the range for labquest in the United States, is like 200. That said the numbers are just a guideline. My urologist is a huge proponent of TRT. He says it doesn’t matter if you’re at 900 if you don’t feel well, it’s not the right number for you. He’ll go until your symptoms subside within reason.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Coincides with declining T levels

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Testosterone is low. Modern men are weak and do little to no manual labor. People also wait too gotdamn long to reproduce. Biologically, we should be pumping out babies in our late teens early 20s.

The increase in autism and other conditions has been linked to later pregnancies as well

 

[RickTheToad]

You know what you're told. Seems like appeals to authority don't work quite as well as they used to with everything so pervasively messed up, do they?

As with most things in life, it depends on the situation and the people one asks.

 

[MatureDJ]

I think it's Mother Nature's way of preserving life energy. It would be beneficial to the tribe for the non-breeding men to have their life-energy devoted to building up and defending the tribe rather then wastefully creating sperm. Similarly men that simply don't have much interaction with young, nubile women have the same response (the body is smart enough to know that p0rn is not real).

 

[MatureDJ]

My dad is 73 yo, I'm 33 and his test levels are higher than me. Imagine my shock.

He was a young man when the women still respected men.

 

[SW15]

My dad is 73 yo, I'm 33 and his test levels are higher than me. Imagine my shock.

He was a young man when the women still respected men.

A 73 year old in 2022 was born in 1949. A male born in 1949 came of age between 1964-1974, during the era of The Sexual Revolution. The Sexual Revolution was a transitional era. This 1949 born male would have gotten the last vestiges of an era when women respected men.

If a man born in 1949 married before America's Bicennential (July 4, 1976), he had a decent shot of having his marriage work out longer term. In the early to mid 1970s, the typical age for an American male marrying for the first time was around 24, so this typical 1949 male would have been married by the Bicennential, since he would have been 26-27. A first marriage that started in 1975 had a better chance of lasting 40 years than a first marriage that started in 1995, 2005, or 2015. This is why Boomers tended to actually get married, unlike a larger percentage of the generation that @Pedrito0906 and I belong to (the Millennials).

The Boomers that got married between 1970-1985 had a decent amount of divorces happen in their lifetimes, but they were better positioned for longer term marriages than subsequent generations. The Boomers were not the initial wave of divorcees when no fault divorces started in most US states between 1970-1975, as a large portion of the generation either had not married yet or were still pre-divorcees in the early stages of marriage. The 1970-1975 divorcees were mostly Silent Generation (late 1920s-1945 births).

Boomer beta males were more competitive in the sexual marketplace than Millennial beta males. A Boomer beta male probably ended up married at some point and had decent sexual frequency whereas a Millennial beta male was far more likely to either be incel or experience extended sexual droughts between relationships. For most of the Boomers, being a nice guy wasn't going to doom your sex and relationship life, there was still some value in it, though the late Boomers (1960-1964) didn't experience as much of the good old days as the earlier Boomers (1946-1953).

Gen X was the first generation where some decline was evident, though it didn't really all go to shiit until the Millennials came of age in the late 1990s/2000s. I'd even say the later Gen X'ers (1976-1980 births) didn't get that good of a deal in the sexual marketplace, but still a better one that the 1981-1989 Millennials.

Testosterone is low. Modern men are weak and do little to no manual labor. People also wait too gotdamn long to reproduce. Biologically, we should be pumping out babies in our late teens early 20s.

The increase in autism and other conditions has been linked to later pregnancies as well

I agree that people wait too long to reproduce.

I look at my own situation at 39 right now. If I wanted to reproduce in the next 3 years (39-42), I would need to do it with a woman at least 10 years younger. While women 33+ can get pregnant, the pregnancies are too high risk, especially with 35-40 year old women. In my social circle, I have a bunch of couples with women 32-35 pumping out their "Last Call" first babies with men of similar ages. I don't want to be a 40 year old guy pumping out a first baby with a 38 year old woman. I mention this because I have mainly dated and had sex with childless women close to my age. This is an area of game I need to improve.

Even I were able to get a woman 10+ years younger at this point, I still have to consider my retirement. Having babies between 39-42/43 means that I won't be finished raising them to the point of full independence until my early 60s, depending on their trade school/college plans. If these children had employment issues in their 20s, I'd be into my 60s and might not be able to help them too well. If I am still working in my 60s, I don't want to be dealing with this.

I have yet to mention considerations around the stability of romantic relationships in my life. Besides the pregnancy risks, I would also have a high breakup risk either in marriage or a non-marital relationship with a woman I'd impregnate. I also don't want to deal with this. I don't wish to spend my 40s and 50s co-parenting with an ex.

It probably makes the most amount of sense at this point for me to stay childless. It doesn't matter whether or not I want kids or have had a strong desire to do so. The practical considerations are the priority.

Mark Cuban is 64 right now and still has 2 children under 18, but he's a billionnaire and his wife is 14 years younger.

 

[Murk]

Poisoned from all angles by design.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Poisoned from all angles by design.

This I can agree with. Subtly and over time so we don't notice overtly, like the frog in the pot of boiling water.

 

[bat soup]

Path to extinction? Sperm count accelerates its decline

Humans could disappear from planet Earth without even a whimper, that is, the whimper of new babies as the human sperm count keeps plummeting.

www.resilience.org

I really want to know what you guys think is causing it and totally won't laugh at your conspiracy theories.

This is actually very good news for the environment because it will save on Kleenex.

 

[Who Dares Win]

There is basically not a single area of your environment where we dont get hormonal disruptors.

We are poisoned chemically from our food and water, stressed to the bone in our everyday life, humbled in our masculinity since our early days at school then forced to behave as nice guys if we want to keep any job that is not a job that requires violence and physical strenght.
80% of the young men nowadays are told a countless list of things "wrong" with them but never a praise or a compliment, they are vilified everywhere they go yet somehow we expect their brains not to notice it.

That's like taking young girls as early as 6 and deny them any nice clothes or comfort while forcing them to stay outside the whole day getting dirty while dealing with animals, force them to fight each other to get a roof on their head then be surprised they have no feminiity.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

There is basically not a single area of your environment where we dont get hormonal disruptors.

We are poisoned chemically from our food and water, stressed to the bone in our everyday life, humbled in our masculinity since our early days at school then forced to behave as nice guys if we want to keep any job that is not a job that requires violence and physical strenght.
80% of the young men nowadays are told a countless list of things "wrong" with them but never a praise or a compliment, they are vilified everywhere they go yet somehow we expect their brains not to notice it.

That's like taking young girls as early as 6 and deny them any nice clothes or comfort while forcing them to stay outside the whole day getting dirty while dealing with animals, force them to fight each other to get a roof on their head then be surprised they have no feminiity.

This is true, but in the wise words of the esteemed @BeExcellent, "effort in, result out"

Advice from the old lady:

People are lazy these days. Hell, OP is kinda lazy. How much time investment is there when you are on your porcelain throne doing your business and swiping?

Effort in, result out.

We'll never be the men she wants us to be if we recognize this reality, sadly. Her words are our guidance. We must find a way to motivate ourselves to meet her standards, amen.

 

[HaleyBaron]

What do you think of declining sperm counts?

Nothing. Correlation without causation. An excuse to push for more immigration.

 

[Epicwinguy]

What do you think of declining sperm counts?

Nothing. Correlation without causation. An excuse to push for more immigration.

We gotta watch out for those Commies coming to take over our free, god loving nation.