"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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What do you do when a Girl will not even Look at you?

Poonani Maker

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When you rely on your looks as your bread and butter? My rep is great too, I think. When a 20 year old college girl deliberately Looks away as she passes me, that can mean only one thing right? She's interested. Why does she feel the need to turn away from the face created intricately by God? Is she nervous? Does she just not know what to do or say, so she'll TRY the I'll-look-the-other-way-to-make-him-chase-me move?

Girls like this are just begging to be fvcked.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Something I've wondered too. Do ''some'' girls intentionally try to make you feel invisible when they're attracted to you? Or have I only wondered about this because i'm an egoist?
 

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I dunno if its me being paranoid because I am probably average looking, maybe below average a little haha, but when I'm walking on campus I notice all the chicks looking at me and when I make eye contact they quickly look away. I feel like I got some turd on my face or something but its not...wtf is going on... again I am not attractive in the face area compared to your average college student
 

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Desert Fox said:
I dunno if its me being paranoid because I am probably average looking, maybe below average a little haha, but when I'm walking on campus I notice all the chicks looking at me and when I make eye contact they quickly look away. I feel like I got some turd on my face or something but its not...wtf is going on... again I am not attractive in the face area compared to your average college student
Most college kids have strong phobias of awkwardness. In general, if women are gazing at you and you look back and notice it, they will glance away since they were caught in the act. This could be because they are embarrassed that they were looking; they don't want you to think they were checking you out for any number of reasons. Those with more confidence will hold the gaze for a couple seconds before looking away to let it be known what's going on.

A lot of people just get uncomfortable with extended eye contact with random people in the hallways, so don't try to read too much into this. It could be any number of things, and, since I wasn't there to see it, I can't really say for certain what is going on.
 

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Uhm, I look away when a guy is looking at me and I DON'T want him to approach! But that's just me.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Both the BucketOfTruth and plaything are correct. There are different reasons and situations as to why girls may look away. Girls are just used to guys staring at them at public places that they either get really nervous and walk away or they are immune to it and walk around like a runaway models (blank stare, expressionless without looking to the sides).

Instead of second guessing what a girl does, maybe you should take the initiative and approach a girl you like with a smile and say hi. Girls that are interested will usually walk slower or remain in the vicinity so you will have time to approach, girls that aren't will walk away faster as if they are rushing to get to the toilet in time.
 
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#1) Stop being delusional about your own looks.

#2) Stop obsessing over the masturbation discussion - it doesn't help you.

#3) Admit to being a fraud on this board when you first joined, because you posted as if you had experience, when it is clear that you are some nerdy virgin.

#4) Actually follow the advice that has been given to losers like yourself

simple truth for you
 

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The Logical Player said:
#1) Stop being delusional about your own looks.

#2) Stop obsessing over the masturbation discussion - it doesn't help you.

#3) Admit to being a fraud on this board when you first joined, because you posted as if you had experience, when it is clear that you are some nerdy virgin.

#4) Actually follow the advice that has been given to losers like yourself

simple truth for you
ohh, another harsh post from TLP (although he is right about the first point).
 

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Well, it's usually one of two things, either she finds you extremely attractive or extremely ugly and usually it's the former, so I think you're okay.

I had a conversation about this with a few of my pivots and you'd be surprised, I think both girls and guys respond very similarly to external stimuli.

If a girl/guy is VERY attractive and out of your league, usually you'll try to avoid eye contact whereas if a girl is attractive and you would consider within your league than you would try to make some eye contact, etc etc. Of course this is all contingent upon your confidence levels as well.

With a girl like this, just approach her in a simple, almost AFC way, no need to run super intense game on a girl that's already attracted to you.

-Kevin
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I follow your line, Kevin Feng. A month or so ago, I held the door for this same woman who looked away, purposefully, a few weeks after. We've had minimal encounters over the past couple of years. When she was a freshman, I was one of the first native locals she met, although I'm not native but 5 years to her few weeks of being here. She was coming into MY home. Anyway, I didn't really get the opportunity to talk to the other girls her age that night, just her.

She's really clumsy, breaking her arm in the first year she was here. Our history together is faint, a skimming of the surface level relationship, I think, because she's so young = 13 years younger than me.

She's not EXACTLY my type, especially if she were older and had a kid or something, I wouldn't go for her, BUT because she IS without a doubt, a sheltered-from-birth virgin, I can't really X her out as a potential mate for me, AND I want to have at least 4 kids.

She actually stopped today as I was talking to a close respected friend of mine, and I glanced over and she looked up, all by herself, and made EC with me from about 30 feet away. THIS act, on her part, was intentional as well.

So that's 2 intentional body language cues in less than a month. She's VERY quiet obviously, because she's been extremely sheltered by her parents, she's stuck-up, as well as her girlfriends back home - they are nerdiest nerd bookworms, like validictorian (sp?), you could imagine.

The problem is that she is so young, and her friends are young, but she doesn't have very many CLOSE friends, maybe one or two. All the others goof on her because she's so stuck-up, and an achiever scholastically, no time for boyz.

I catch her cueing me everytime I see her though it seems, because, after all, I was one of the first Really hot older guys she met here. She remembers me for way back then, and hasn't given up hope.

I've ALWAYS had to initiate the convo with her, and it's been a brief, two or three sentences. She's given me the "fvck me" eyes at a party last fall though, no doubt about it. I was kinda taken aback when she did that.
 
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I consider myself a pretty good looking guy, whether girls are intimidated or not, I'm not sure... but being really friendly is the key. Personally, I don't really use C&F too much, here and there... but you have to make the girl feel comfortable. Walking around like you're the coolest thing in the world isn't gonna work. You have to make the moves.
 
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Why are you still at college at 33 years old?

You the janitor or somethin'?

You probably creep her out man.
 

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King Turi said:
Why are you still at college at 33 years old?

You the janitor or somethin'?

You probably creep her out man.
No I don't go to college. I just congregate in the same places as college kids do from time to time. I've usually been mistaken for 27-28ish.

My job pays about 5 times that of your typical janitor, more if you consider the bennies, and she knows that, which sucks because I'd rather a woman not know my job or status, just want me for my face and body, that's all I want. Let her feel her way around me, and learn more about me piece by piece, never fully knowing me, is how I want it. That's why I engage in several activities, and learn about several practical things to be able to teach her or our kids.

She's the kind of woman who's saving herself for ONE man, but I will not kow-tow to this, I'll be who I'm gonna be, she can take it or leave it.

And 33 is not old. I have 60 year old friends and mentors. In fact, my greatest mentor, whom I've benefited the most from, is a 60ish engineer, who knows how to build/design not only watches and missiles for our military, but also, people from the ground up. Just hearing him talk makes one a better and more intelligent person. When you dine with someone every week, you tend to absorb their experience, their mannerisms, that will never leave you for the rest of your life.
 

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Poonani Maker said:
No I don't go to college. I just congregate in the same places as college kids do from time to time. I've usually been mistaken for 27-28ish.

My job pays about 5 times that of your typical janitor, more if you consider the bennies, and she knows that, which sucks because I'd rather a woman not know my job or status, just want me for my face and body, that's all I want. Let her feel her way around me, and learn more about me piece by piece, never fully knowing me, is how I want it. That's why I engage in several activities, and learn about several practical things to be able to teach her or our kids.

She's the kind of woman who's saving herself for ONE man, but I will not kow-tow to this, I'll be who I'm gonna be, she can take it or leave it.

And 33 is not old. I have 60 year old friends and mentors. In fact, my greatest mentor, whom I've benefited the most from, is a 60ish engineer, who knows how to build/design not only watches and missiles for our military, but also, people from the ground up. Just hearing him talk makes one a better and more intelligent person. When you dine with someone every week, you tend to absorb their experience, their mannerisms, that will never leave you for the rest of your life.

Hey bro don't even listen to that guy above you if you're still in college then thats great that you're switching careers or whatever and you're never too old to go to college. A few classmates of mine are in their 50's.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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pLaYtHiNg said:
Uhm, I look away when a guy is looking at me and I DON'T want him to approach! But that's just me.
You have no game in other words.
 
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