"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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What can I do man.

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Okay a few days ago I had posted saying to you guys that my gf told me she gave me the LJBF speech. BUt it was bcuz her mother doesnt know we are going out and that she figured if "acted like friends" and where really friends, she wouldnt have to lie to her mother about me. Her mother doesnt know that we are going out.

Here is the deal, Im indian, and im not catholic and my gf is italian and she is catholic and her mother told her, she doesnt want her going out with me bcuz im not catholic. My gf told me that her mother said "If i find out that your are lying to me and are going out, ur not gonna have much of a summer, and it would be better if he was a catholic" My gf told me that her mother likes me but she only wants me to be her freind and not go out with her cuz im not catholic. I HATE THIS MAN. I love her too death and so does she, i want to ring the mothers f***in neck.

I dont know what to do. We have thought of everything. We thought about how we could keep lying to her, that wont work cuz sooner or later SHE WILL find out its only a matter of time. It would be much worse then.


Second we decided that we could just be friends, and her mom would then only think we are friends but when we see each other we would do what we would normally do. Right now her mother doesnt have any proof, but she isnt stupid and she is catching on. SO if we come out and say it directly that we are JUST friends it might work for a while. Cuz she then would let me see her more often. Right now I can only see her once a week, cuz more than that then my gf has to HEAR alot of **** from her mother about how its not right and how she is leading me on.

So now thirdly we could just come out and tell her, but my gf told me that if we do that, that her mother would hate it and always try ot make up excuses so we would not see each other. ANd she wouldnt let my gf use her car and that she would interfere and create lots of problems for us. My gf is afraid that her mom would actually stop her from seeing me. My gf doesnt care if her mom is unhappy butnot be able to see me at all, her mom would stop her. sob.

Im 18 and she is 17 and she will turn 18 in Novemb, and my gf tells me that when she turns 18 there is not much her mom can do about her going out with me. but i dont know how thats gonna make things easier.

I just dont know what to do, we are both gonna go to college in sept and she has some night classes and day classes and we are gonna go to the same college and my gf tells me she might have an excuse to see by telling her mother that she was in the library.

Today she came into my arms and cried for 3 minutes, i was almost close to crying to. she just wouldnt stop. I feel so bad, we lov each other so much but we dont know what to do.
 

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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gee i dunno, start attending mass and pretend to be catholic?

personally i wouldn't waste my time with the chick, but you don't want to hear that advice and won't heed it anyways... so go to mass.
 

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dude i realli care about her, she realli means alot to me, its almost as if i found anti-dumps machine and she is as good as product as possible.

Her mother knows that im not catholic, I Realli shud have pretended too ,cuz i know soo MUCH , cuz i went too elementary and high school both catholic. .

Everyone i ask says they dont know. I guess im setting us up for heart ache
 

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well i cud

I mean i wouldnt mind going to mass, with her but it would be retarted, when her mother knows im not catholic, lol I could say my mom is catholic and my dad wasnt so my mom changed over and decided to take after my dads religion. SO i followed and that i am part catholic or whatever, i guess thats a good story, and it checks out cuz they have catholics in India esp dpwn south. But thas some mission impossible stuff, its crazy pulling off a hoax like that.
 

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well you could always try to sit down and talk to moms in an adult like way and explain your feelings or whatever... however i feel that if she's a devout catholic woman all the reasoning in the world won't make a bit of difference to this lady, who knows, maybe she has a heart..

you could even tell her you'll start attending mass because her daughter is that important to you...
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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I would tell her that Pope Benedict XVI wants people of all religions to get along and discriminating people based on religion violates church doctrine.
 

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it wont work

I told my gf we could try that but she told me that it wouldnt help, her mom is stubborn. Its F**ed up.
 

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Im just lost now, i swear, dont know what to do. italians are pretty devout catholics, all that rome ****. The way my gf makes it sound is that she wouldnt budge a inch the mom, I dont think attending mass would change anything and plus i shouldnt have to do that. I dont have a problem cuz i have been goin to church since i was four cuz of my schools its just that I think that the mother would then lose all respect for me if i did bcuz i dont have any prnciples aka backbone of my own.

im so lost, dj's u gotta help me out
 

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hmms. this might sound ridiculous... but oh well, who knows.

you can go down to the church your gf and her mom attends, and speak to the priest there. it is probably a sin to discriminate people based on their religions, and if you confirm that with the priest, he would most likely be glad to speak to your gf's mom about it. and of course she'd be more willing to listen to the priest.

you can give it a shot.

all the best mate...
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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good idea

see thing is that her mom doesnt even know that we are going out so she wouldnt even consider talking to a priest. Bcuz we are afriad to tell her mom.
 

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i really think it'd be cool if you could get a priest into the picture. get him to tell her mom. it sounds cowardly but in this case, might go down better with someone like your gf's mom, whom you've made out to sound like a dreadful woman. :p

any clear ideas on what you're gonna do? it'd best to find a graceful solution soon, because i don't think you guys like living on the edge literally...
 

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Ill talk to my gf and see what she says. ITs not a bad idea but i dont think my gf would go and do it, she would be scared. If i went and then did it then her mom would know that we where going out for sure. SO it would have to be her who would make her tlak with the priest.
 

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Forge a letter from the Pope giving his blessing to your relationship.

For example:

Dear angry catholic mum,

This is the Pope. I think the Indian guy and your daughter should date because he had mad pimpin' skillz.

Laterz,
The Pope.
PS. Make sure she is catholic first, it might get embarrassing if she's a heretic like a protestant or a reformist and doesn't believe in the pope.
 

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im just gonna confront the mother, in a nice way and hope she has a heart.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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let me see

i just had a convo with my gurl and she says she isnt ready to tell her mom yet. She just isnt sure. I dont know. Her mother hated on her last bf's cuz they where hispanic.

She cried and said she wasnt ready.
 

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Bit of advice - sneak around behind her parent's back. It makes the sex much better.
 

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Re: let me see

Originally posted by kk2004
i just had a convo with my gurl and she says she isnt ready to tell her mom yet. She just isnt sure. I dont know. Her mother hated on her last bf's cuz they where hispanic.

She cried and said she wasnt ready.
your girl is sending a message and you aren't receiving...hint hint...if she really really wanted something, she would do all in her power to MAKE IT HAPPEN....YESTERDAY...you are 18. Go forth and meet many women and have fun...worry about stuff like this when you are ohhh, 55. Be like Warren Beatty. He gave up CHASING at that age. And you are only old enough to be his grandchild.

regards,

mike
 

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yeha man, u make ALOT OF SENSE. persistent extraction ur right man, i mean if my gurl really wanted me then she would tell her mom. She would go and do what is REQUIRED. she tells me that she isnt ready to discuss this with her mom, she is afraid that she will ruin everything. SHe is afriad her summer might be ruined. Ur right i was getting the message but i was refusing to believe it man. Im just not gonna stress this. Im just gonna chill with it.

I mean if she wanted ME SHE WOULD DO EVERYTHIHNg in her power but no. So i guess its my fault its okay im good, I should go out and meet new women.

She has tried everything, i mean she tried to get her grandmother to talk to her mom but for some reason she just wont STAND UP FOR ME. she wont tell her mom that im WORTH IT.

SHe wont stand up for me, against her mom, she keeps tellin me she is sorri when ever something is important to me.

SO i guess im just gonna chill with it and not stress it and just act aloof to her and go for more women.

My gurl wont stand up for me agaisnt her mom. SHe is afradi and needs encouragement but when it has to do wiht things important to her she will.

WHat should i do?
 

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man you just answered your own question

SO i guess im just gonna chill with it and not stress it and just act aloof to her and go for more women.
its the best thing you could do for yourself.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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