What are we men doing here?

[Atom Smasher]

Guys,

I'm finding myself a little perplexed about what we're actually accomplishing here.

All throughout human history, a certain formula has always been in place: Boy meets girl, boy marries girl, they raise a family. There was none of this ad-nauseum analysis of "game" and how to attract women when your parents were courting, and yet they met, married, and raised you. It seems that for the most part, a man could find a woman with similar interests and goals and settle down.

I sense that I'm not articulating well today, but I'll forge on, requesting your extension of grace as I try to pose this question.

Why is all this "Don Juan" stuff necessary today? Is it just the result of femminism, or is it the general devolution of society? How did we lose the respect of women? How did this happen?

It used to be thought that girls matured faster than boys. I think this has totally reversed. It seems to me that girls actually never mature, and they remain like spoiled, "entitled" children, and they have to be treated as such.

Men must mature in this life. They must take responsibility for their lives. A true man will accept accountability for his words and his deeds. Women just don't seem to be expected in any way, shape, or form to be accountable for their words and actions. Society at large fosters and preserves this dynamic.

I'm becoming more and more aware that since hanging out here and then applying what I've learned to real life, my view of and respect for women has been severely lowered. We seem to need to employ all these manipulations and tactics, and when you get right down to it, this is all just to get them to like us and to avoid rejection.

We tend to bemoan the current state of affairs with women and their general "spoiled brat" mentality, yet we accept this reality without ever thinking of what we can do about it.

This is the question I want to pose. Why should we accept the way things are and just try to work with it? Why don't we have a collective desire to band together and expose these truths world-wide and thus start to undo the damage and corruption that femminism has foisted on our society? Why do we simply react to the state of affairs, and not resolve in our hearts to turn it around?

It seems that this is the one and only subject where men are afraid to develop think tanks and come up with actions and strategies to reverse this disgusting and destructive gender war that has been raging since the '60s.

I'm so tired of lying back and altering what I project to the outside world in order to avoid rejection by spoiled brats. Women of today need to be knocked off their high horse and to come down to reality. And men need to have the b@lls to step up, set boundaries and enforce them even if it costs them dearly.

I'll repeat that perhaps I'm not articulating my points as effectively as I would like to, but I want to get this question out there now and see if there are any men out there who think it is possible to actively make a difference through education.

I just hate the passivity of all this; the seeming unquestioning certainty that we just have to play ball "because that's just how it is". I want to tear down this freaking stadium, build a new one where there exists mutual respect between the genders, and play ball the way it should be played. We men are the great architects of the world. Is this the only realm where we are afraid to build something better, no matter what the cost?

 

[Scars]

Guys,

I'm finding myself a little perplexed about what we're actually accomplishing here.

All throughout human history, a certain formula has always been in place: Boy meets girl, boy marries girl, they raise a family. There was none of this ad-nauseum analysis of "game" and how to attract women when your parents were courting, and yet they met, married, and raised you. It seems that for the most part, a man could find a woman with similar interests and goals and settle down.

I sense that I'm not articulating well today, but I'll forge on, requesting your extension of grace as I try to pose this question.

Why is all this "Don Juan" stuff necessary today? Is it just the result of femminism, or is it the general devolution of society? How did we lose the respect of women? How did this happen?

It used to be thought that girls matured faster than boys. I think this has totally reversed. It seems to me that girls actually never mature, and they remain like spoiled, "entitled" children, and they have to be treated as such.

Men must mature in this life. They must take responsibility for their lives. A true man will accept accountability for his words and his deeds. Women just don't seem to be expected in any way, shape, or form to be accountable for their words and actions. Society at large fosters and preserves this dynamic.

I'm becoming more and more aware that since hanging out here and then applying what I've learned to real life, my view of and respect for women has been severely lowered. We seem to need to employ all these manipulations and tactics, and when you get right down to it, this is all just to get them to like us and to avoid rejection.

We tend to bemoan the current state of affairs with women and their general "spoiled brat" mentality, yet we accept this reality without ever thinking of what we can do about it.

This is the question I want to pose. Why should we accept the way things are and just try to work with it? Why don't we have a collective desire to band together and expose these truths world-wide and thus start to undo the damage and corruption that femminism has foisted on our society? Why do we simply react to the state of affairs, and not resolve in our hearts to turn it around?

It seems that this is the one and only subject where men are afraid to develop think tanks and come up with actions and strategies to reverse this disgusting and destructive gender war that has been raging since the '60s.

I'm so tired of lying back and altering what I project to the outside world in order to avoid rejection by spoiled brats. Women of today need to be knocked off their high horse and to come down to reality. And men need to have the b@lls to step up, set boundaries and enforce them even if it costs them dearly.

I'll repeat that perhaps I'm not articulating my points as effectively as I would like to, but I want to get this question out there now and see if there are any men out there who think it is possible to actively make a difference through education.

I just hate the passivity of all this; the seeming unquestioning certainty that we just have to play ball "because that's just how it is". I want to tear down this freaking stadium, build a new one where there exists mutual respect between the genders, and play ball the way it should be played. We men are the great architects of the world. Is this the only realm where we are afraid to build something better, no matter what the cost?

I wish there were more free-thinkers on this forum like you sir. I completely agree. Your introduction statement (about boy meeting girl, getting married having kids etc..) goes back to a time where society wasn't plagued by feminism, or at least not as much. All we are doing by learning these tricks and tactics is essentially evening out the playing field. None of these men want to believe the truths that you have come to realize. These men would rather live in ignorance. Woman are not the perfect little angels society makes out them to be.

What's worse is all these beta males who fall victim to this trap as well. These men reinforce the belief that feminism is right every single day and will fight their hardest to protect it. They want to win the approval of woman. What's even sadder is the men who have been exposed to this truth, see the facts every day, but still wont except it. They want to live in ignorance. Where has everyone's balls gone?

However, as much as I'd love to see an anti-feminism revolution, it's not going to happen. Not in this lifetime.

 

[Blank]

Guys, All throughout human history, a certain formula has always been in place: Boy meets girl, boy marries girl, they raise a family.

Do you know anything about human history? Marriage wasn't around before culture came about. Marriage is a human invention, do you think cavemen got married?

Human beings are still, for the most part, wired the exact same way biologically as they were when we lived in small tribes out in plains and jungles. I'm talking 20,000 years ago. There was no marriage back then. You had alpha males that had harems of women to mate with and beta males with maybe one or no women.

This site and materials like it teach you how to adopt the behaviors, thoughts and beliefs of an alpha male. That's it. What's all this horse**** about society, feminism, knock women off their high horse...that has nothing to do with the deeply rooted biological triggers of attraction that have existed for thousands of years.

You are way off man. You just sound like someone who is bitter towards women. They do mature faster then men psychologically and biologically, studies in neuroscience have proved this. They don't all have a "spoiled brat" mentality and act like spoiled, entitled children.

I think you are in the wrong place. No one here hates women but it seems you clearly have a lot of negative feelings towards them because you don't understand them, or how this whole picture really is. It seems you have let society mess with your beliefs.

Society and social conditioning are the reasons game is studied by men.

A lot of boys are being raised without men in society. They may have had a demasculating father, a father who was too nice, or no father at all. Boys get raised without properly being introduced into manhood.

On top of that, the media has most men thinking that nice guys finish first, just look at any romance movie or hollywood love story. It's ridiculous and if you want to rally against anything, that should be it.

 

[Solomon]

I feel were the OP is coming from, I really do, back in 2005(the height of my simpness) when I was AF...
uugh hate that word, I use to think like this, cause I was super upset and bitter when it came to women. I think Phat hit the nail on the head. Once you realize this "tricks" and "techqniues" are to get you to a place where you just "do" and "be" then you realize the tips were just training wheels.

If you in PU/gaming/mackin just for the chicks, then you in it for the wrong reasons. Initally yes it's about the chicks, but it trancends to wanting to improve your health, wanting a lifestyle of fullfiment, being with a woman(women) that you dream about etc

In terms of "banding" togther, how do you propose that? The Media's got society brainwashed to a tee...

A.S. in the words of Ghandi become the change you wanna see in the world,....

peace

 

[moneyisking]

Phat Rabbit is ABSOLUTELY right. It's not about fvcking girls. It's ALL ABOUT YOU. It's not about how you can score her. It's about how you can be someone who can be comfortable in your own skin and have fun, and let a cheerful girl enjoy your ride. For you to be "that" guy, you must develop your comfort level, self esteem, and you as total. That's why I and others advice you to get passion, hobbies, go to gym, and focus on yourself instead of her.

 

[Jitterbug]

I'm finding myself a little perplexed about what we're actually accomplishing here.

All throughout human history, a certain formula has always been in place: Boy meets girl, boy marries girl, they raise a family. There was none of this ad-nauseum analysis of "game" and how to attract women when your parents were courting, and yet they met, married, and raised you. It seems that for the most part, a man could find a woman with similar interests and goals and settle down.

I sense that I'm not articulating well today, but I'll forge on, requesting your extension of grace as I try to pose this question.

Why is all this "Don Juan" stuff necessary today?

In the past, when your parents, grandparents etc. were courting, society as a whole was doing the job of qualifying men and women for them. Men had role models (older men) to look up to and strive to become. Women had older women to keep them in line, to learn how to be a good wife & mother, to get married when they're at the height of their attractiveness & to match-make them with suitable men. After they got married, society kept both genders in line & shamed those who fvcked up.

Your Fater, your Grandfather & other men back then did not need Game.

Now, feminism and a host of other things have destroyed most of those roles that society used to play in courtship & marriage. Well, men still get enough shaming to keep us in line, but women are running wild. Therefore, it is up to each individual to do the job of qualifying our life partner. That is the ultimate goal of all this "Don Juan stuff".

 

[Darth]

I agree 100% with you, Atom Smasher. Being a man means not just "playing ball," but tearing the stadium down and building a new one that runs by the right rules. And living by your own standards, your morals, and doing the right thing.

I already do this on a personal level, but one of my dreams is to be a great motivational speaker and help, even if in only a small way, our society get back on track.

The great part is, though, that this very rebelliousness we have, this refusal to just go on with the decay of society, takes a lot of guts, and this is sexy to women. Every day I feel like a giant anachronism, like I was sent from the mid 20th century in a time machine, and I love it. I love blowing their world. Why is he dressed so well all the time? Why does he hold open doors? Etc.

The problem I'm struggling with is that the quality of women today can't be ignored, and it has dropped significantly since even the 1980's. That, I don't know what to do about. More than them being total slobs, I see a total lack of character.

And yes, I think that's very much tied to the cultural decay of the past 45 years.

 

[Darth]

I'm so tired of lying back and altering what I project to the outside world in order to avoid rejection by spoiled brats. Women of today need to be knocked off their high horse and to come down to reality. And men need to have the b@lls to step up, set boundaries and enforce them even if it costs them dearly.

Amen.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I was going to address some of you individually, but it occured to me that you can't un-indoctrinate those youngsters who grew up in the system and can't see a way out. And yet, some who are younger than you like Darth and Scars, for example, get it. You guys are wise beyond your years, and you will catch flack for it.

The rules don't change, PHAT says? The fact is that the rules have changed (the very point of this post), and we have been dealt the sh!t end of the stick, and we are accepting it.

The fact is that our western society has decayed into a bizarre mixture of androgeny, and it has happened so gradually that many of you don't even see it. The result is men growing up completely bewildered because modern-day social mores have nearly obliterated the natural order of healthy male-female dynamics.

Every media, from TV to magazines to movies, etc. are systematically portraying men as clueless, confused dolts, as women come to our rescue always with the perfect answer to the problem at hand. Women are mass-fed the idea that they cannot respect men, and the crazy thing is that MEN buy this as well as women.

Sorry, guys, but I can't just accept it. The whole reason that we're in this mess in the first place is because of men's passivity and lack of b@lls. For the reward of surface-level "acceptance", we have sacrificed our rightful place of leadership in the world and we lie down like defeated little wusses saying things like "This is just how it is" and "We must become Alpha Males".

Some of you kids in your early twenties have been so deeply indoctrinated by virtue of your education that you literally can't even conceive of what I'm talking about, hence the battle cries of "We are Alpha Males" and "You hate women". Such simplistic reactions are amazing, but in fairness I have to remember the limited vision I had when I was that young. I was equally blind and simplistic in my thinking. It is very gratifying, though, to see that some of you younger guys truly do get it and have the backbone to want to make a difference.

I urge those who can see to consider how they can make a difference in this upside-down society, one interaction at a time. It takes backbone and guts, and only those who understand that there is much more to life than "scoring" will be able to make a difference. Do it for yourself... Do it for your sons.

To some, this is gibberish, to others, gold. You decide, and act accordingly.

 

[zekko]

The problem for guys is they have lost the traditional provider role. A man is more likely to be unemployed than a woman these days. More women than men are going to college, and that opens things up for them to get better jobs. At one time, women NEEDED men for survival, financial or otherwise, and that kept them in line.

Men as a whole have also failed themselves. They have failed to build a better world economically and politically, have failed to meet the challenges this generation has presented to them, and they have let women get ahead of them. It would be nice for everyone to band together to fix things, but as you can see by the deep political schism between left and right, it is near impossible to get everyone to get together and agree on what to do about anything. I'm not sure what the answer is.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

The answer

This video pretty much summarizes that question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKOPnEYSppo&feature=player_embedded

 

[Blank]

This video pretty much summarizes that question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKOPnEYSppo&feature=player_embedded

LMFAO this is priceless!

 

[Nexus Polaris]

I've come to believe that the old "girls mature faster than boys" adage is only true in the physical sense. In so much as they bleed from their nether regions and sprout funbags before we get beards.

That's pretty much it. As for personality, they pretty much stay the same. There's this illusion that they outgrow it, but they really don't. I see 60 year old women still behaving like children. It's obviously "justified as rational behavior" once they reach a certain age, but the behavior itself is still exactly the same.

Good post, by the way.

 

[Blank]

Look homeboy.. there's a lot of things that social norms have wrong and I break those norms everyday. You're not supposed to talk to strangers during the daytime.. whoops do that everyday. You're not supposed to have sexual conversations with strangers.. whoops do that too. I disregard social norms on a daily basis strictly because I'm trying to live spontaneously.

Beyond that I'm not saying let women walk all over you. What I am saying is that you have to get your a$$ out there and do sh*t. What are you on this site for? To complain about society or to become a better man? And by man I mean -- embodying masculine characteristics.. not the bullsh*t society dubbs as masculine like being stupid or a social retard -- I'm talking about unreactivity, being a leader, holding strong frames, meeting strangers and turning them into friends with ease, essentially being independent, being a bachelor with the world at your hands. As men we have the ability to conquer and divide but all you want to do is whine and complain on this forum about "how we got dealt a bad hand"! That is non-sense and a bullsh*t lame excuse to not do anything about your circumstances. Social rules do not constrain us.. we are the only ones who can limit our potential.

But do what you think is best.. I really don't care if you sit around and complain about your situation. To me, I acknowledge society and what shallow awareness people have about how social interaction really works, but it doesn't effect me.. I really could care less because it is of no consequence to me anyways. Women don't give a sh*t about social "rules" either.. if you are a fvcking man, they will want to fvck the sh*t out of you regardless of how that television program portrays men. Women don't need society to tell them what they want.. it's hardwired into them. If you are socially dominant and control your world than you're going to be attractive. But if you're reactive and cannot see outside of the "society" box.. you'll be extremely restricted in the mates you can choose from.

I've heard the quote that like 10% of the male population gets laid all the time and the other 90% sleeps with like an average of 3 women in his lifetime. That's a pretty sad reality.. unless you have morals against this but than it's a matter of choosing not to sleep with them. Why is this though? Probably because 90% of the population isn't willing to change themselves (inherently) and get scared so they settle into a shltty relationship or don't do anything about it at all but distract themselves and make excuses (similar to this one) until their life ends. A life of regret and bitterness and distractions.

I suggest you watch Fight Club and meditate on the meaning of that movie. I liken it to game and what I and other community guys that I know are doing. Sure society has their rules and those who are bound by society are bound by those rules.. but I'm not bound by society nor do I follow those rules. True men aren't bound by superficial sh*t like that.. think about it. All I'm saying is take the risk or blame yourself for being a pvssy about things.

Truth.

It's not going to get much better then this.

 

[FutureSpartan]

Great post phat....

Sorry atom but as a young man with plenty of time left on this earth I will take no-expectations, guarded optimism over despair and negativity.

I don't care for the men ruined by our feminist society. That is the price paid for failing to adapt to the new reality. Any man that has chosen to remain ignorant to the gender power shift and is still oblivious to the pervasive anti-male bias in it is an idiot and as such deserve to be weeded out.

I'm not going to waste time trying to save my competition. Women are already starting to realize the raw deal they are getting from feminism, men will follow eventually. Just let the chips fall where they may and in the mean time enjoy life.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Great post, Future Spartan.

I will continue to believe in God, myself, and the people who matter most to me. Some frivolous fluesy (women will bad attitudes towards men) will get none of my time and/or money. Let them take some other sucker's time/money. I know of a co-worker who has 5 children from 4 different ex's. He is what me and my co-workers consider a Grade-A sucker. Nothing noble in supporting 5 kids, 2 adopted from previous relationships. Dude works 12 hours where we work, and then his second job for 4 more. Been doing this for years. He looks like Dr. Strangelove http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesXUFOlWC0