"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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What are the signs of a low value woman?

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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The Mystery of Faith...I believe it can help, not that it always does. At a Reason enough to adhere to this guideline.
Maybe it's just the girls down here in Miami, maybe it has something to do with the fact that the majority are predominately Catholic (opposed to, I don't know, Muslim?), but I can very confidently assure you that being slutshamed by friends, family, society at large is what they tremble before, not faith or God.
 

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too much fake hair, fake nails, fake boobs, fake bake is nice to get in bed with but not to have a relationship with!

Just consider them all low value like someone else said and take your time. Eventually it all comes out and they show you what they are really about!
 

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What is interesting is that these days, most women would prefer a prison inmate over a clean cut professional guy making 400k per year.

They like the excitement of a dangerous guy and hate boring guys even if they are well off. The dbags with tattoos are cleaning up.

So far I have been nexting any girl who has this preference but there are so many of them that now I maybe I need to open my mind more. So many women seem to have illegitimate children, emotional baggage, and a fvcked up family structure. Not mention how many have tattoos and hundreds of previous sex partners.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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skinnyguy said:
What is interesting is that these days, most women would prefer a prison inmate over a clean cut professional guy making 400k per year.

They like the excitement of a dangerous guy and hate boring guys even if they are well off. The dbags with tattoos are cleaning up.

So far I have been nexting any girl who has this preference but there are so many of them that now I maybe I need to open my mind more. So many women seem to have illegitimate children, emotional baggage, and a fvcked up family structure. Not mention how many have tattoos and hundreds of previous sex partners.
No matter how much society downgrades and what it makes us believe that is needed to be accepted by women, never change who you are and what you want, the more you keep your frame the more you will grow as a man.
 

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Anyone experiencing women with odor problems lately? Seems to be a problem for me this day and age
 

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Drugs, booze, talking behind people's backs, lying, insecurity, clingy girls, AWing, talking about cheating in the past.
 

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Drugs, booze, talking behind people's backs, lying, insecurity, clingy girls, AWing, talking about cheating in the past.
I've never dealt with a girl admitting to cheating, and my guess is only one hell of a low quality woman would openly divulge a time (or times) that she has cheated. I've known girls who have justified their friends cheating ("she was really drunk", "her relationship was going down the crapper anyway", "whatever, she didn't love him anymore and she wound up finding her true love") - all of which are cause for concern too if she does not condemn it - but never one who's owned up to herself cheating.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Between_The_Lines said:
I've never dealt with a girl admitting to cheating, and my guess is only one hell of a low quality woman would openly divulge a time (or times) that she has cheated. I've known girls who have justified their friends cheating ("she was really drunk", "her relationship was going down the crapper anyway", "whatever, she didn't love him anymore and she wound up finding her true love") - all of which are cause for concern too if she does not condemn it - but never one who's owned up to herself cheating.
2 girls I recently dated admitted to cheating in the past on their bf. One cheated to get out of the relationship the other did it on a dare from her friends. Easy red flag not to proceed ahead.
 

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PeasantPlayer said:
Anyone experiencing women with odor problems lately? Seems to be a problem for me this day and age
I've got one woman who's interested in me, 22 years old, cute, nice body, but looks and smells like she hasn't bathed in a week. I'd easily bang her, but her vagina likely smells like dolphin cvm.
 

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2 girls I recently dated admitted to cheating in the past on their bf. One cheated to get out of the relationship the other did it on a dare from her friends. Easy red flag not to proceed ahead.
That's up there with admitting to having pulsating puss-leaking warts in my book. A girl tells me that and I'd be thinking to myself "clearly you have zero interest in furthering whatever we have going on". Date/relationship terminated.
 

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skinnyguy said:
What is interesting is that these days, most women would prefer a prison inmate over a clean cut professional guy making 400k per year.

They like the excitement of a dangerous guy and hate boring guys even if they are well off. The dbags with tattoos are cleaning up.

So far I have been nexting any girl who has this preference but there are so many of them that now I maybe I need to open my mind more. So many women seem to have illegitimate children, emotional baggage, and a fvcked up family structure. Not mention how many have tattoos and hundreds of previous sex partners.
Stop dating in the club and bar scene.
 

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"What are the signs of a low value woman?"
It doesn't work that way. If it did, then it would work on low value men, and you could tell women why they shouldn't sleep with that guy they like, and they would listen.

Attraction is not a choice. We meet someone and our chemistry reacts, and we form an opinion. The key to seducing HB8+ women is to have them form a good first opinion of you. As Doc Love said, don't project your interest level, maximize hers. This especially works if they are with their friends when they meet you. Then you will be "that guy they like" instead of "that guy". Your opinion of her means little beyond "can you get it up?".

The way a woman treats you is based on her attraction to you. If she is highly attracted, she will do everything right. A raunchy hooker who is highly attracted to you will act like a princess. Likewise, a princess who is not attracted to you will act like a raunchy hooker.

That said, her physical health, youth, and fertility (and lack of criminal background) are the main signs of what a quality woman she is. Women are machines to have sex and families with, they are not your buddies. They have always needed a man to take care of them and keep them straight and they always tended to give in to temptation. Just have options and you won't care (unless you have kids, where you better be sure they are yours). Tattoos and smoking are two serious warning signs. Also watch out for self mutilation, which seems remarkably common (arm scarring, etc), and abusive exes.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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PeasantPlayer said:
Anyone experiencing women with odor problems lately? Seems to be a problem for me this day and age
Desdinova said:
I've got one woman who's interested in me.... but her vagina likely smells like dolphin cvm.
I had that happen a few months back with an otherwise super hot girl. After sex there was a distinct garbage smell. I don't remember that smell from any previous women luckily. All STD's feature "odor and discharge" as symptoms, so it is important to go down on them to inspect. Watch out for girls who need to shower 3 times a day. They are probably hiding something.
 
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