What are the Alternatives to Marriage?

[Poonani Maker]

 

[Poon King]

The dirty little secret is that "aging" and "staying single" is a WOMAN's problem and ONLY a woman's problem.

Women have had a fear of "loneliness" and staying single too long for ages. Society has been working hard to give men the same level of insecurity as a way to empower women. Men have much less to lose by staying single.. PLUS.. aging men have much less to worry about than women. This will never change either.

For starters.. men can always date below their age with ease while women cannot. Second.. men can prolong their value through worldly success while women cannot. Third.. men generally croak earlier than women so are much less likely to be alone when they die. Forth.. men can reproduce at any age, while women cannot.

WOMEN are the ones who have always been terrified of the ticking clock (and for good reason). Blue pill society is trying to instill this fear in men to force them into commitment on a woman's terms. Most dumb betas fall for it too.

In the end, the idea of "security" OUTSIDE YOURSELF is an illusion. So stop chasing it. The best "security" is the feeling that you have the wisdom and strength to handle just about any situation. With that.. a lot of the fear and insecurity melts away and you free yourself to live the life you want rather than the life you are told you should.

 

[Dingo]

Good thread..

 

[zekko]

Just goes to show there are pros and cons to everything. Just as I've always said. I wouldn't get married though, the legal system is too skewed.

 

[ubercat]

The reproduction thing is a bit of a myth. Sperm quality tends to drop off a cliff past 45. Also you may still be able knock them up but who the hell wants to deal full time with kids when you're 70. So being pragmatic I'd say 45 is the cut off point. Of course if you're a multi millionaire different rules apply.

It's a topic that does short-circuit people's logic. My 43 year old girlfriend was trying to convince me this year that she still had a chance of popping one out. yep like me when I buy my weekly lottery ticket.

 

[bigneil]

Great post Poon King. Lots of great stuff lately. I also like your style of using boldface at times.

This is what I've been saying - the feminists here are trying desperately to push this "women want men their age" thing. Don't believe it. It's women our age who try to manipulate us into thinking that. They are downright hateful toward the concept. I can't tell you how many women will say "you must have a lot of money" when they see my dates, and they are always the ones over 27 who are getting married. Note that according to photo feeler, women find me more attractive than 2 out of 3 men (I'm about a 6 or 7 in looks on paper, but at 6'5" gain a lot of advantage beyond my photo), and hardly any women find me unattractive (more find me very attractive).

ubercat, does Donald Trump's son look deformed? He had him at 60. As far as sperm quality going down, I'm 46 and the girls still need a beach towel to mop up after I withdraw.

 

[bigneil]

Just goes to show there are pros and cons to everything. Just as I've always said. I wouldn't get married though, the legal system is too skewed.

On my first date with a girl who I later found out was married I said (as we walked to the restaurant):

"Marriage is a man legally promising to financially keep a woman happy - for life. Gee, I wonder whose idea that was?"

(she laughed, secretly knowing it was she who proposed to her husband)

I said "It was one thing when the woman would starve to death if she didn't stay with the man. That's all I really want. I just want you to starve, that's all".

 

[Bingo-Player]

Marriage is out of date, and society has shot itself in the foot with this by nurturing a generation of men and women that operate they’re lifes through a social media illusion

I think The only reason someone would get married these days is to update they’re facebook status

Anyway Further on from this, your getting more and more men who are saying to themselves “well actually whats the point”


It’s been said on here before but from 25 onwards a woman is a depreciating asset, and that depreciation increases 10 fold once you put a ring on her finger


I find modern women very demanding whether it’s emotionally or for attention or money or whatever And asides from sex / reproduction they offer very little, most can’t even cook or clean like they’re mothers could

The last chick I was dating couldn’t even be bothered to learn how to drive at 22 (in the uk you can learn from 17)

i also think alot more people are starting to wake up to the fact the fairytale thats advertised as "family life" doesnt actually exist , most family's these days have dark ugly secrets hidden and thats if they arent completely broken already

anyway to summarise I do truly belive a man can maintain a much peace fuller life without a woman its just wether he can overcome the taboo that society presses on him for staying single

 

[bigneil]

I stayed single. Starting at age 36, I have since found myself totally in love at least one woman in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016... all romances of at least 6 months on average, with different girls, and each getting better and better. Some hurt when they ended, but in hindsight, I wouldn't change anything. If I married that girl in 2007, think I would have felt totally in love with her every year?

Note I was in a relationship about half the time, and single half the time, living in 10 cities during those 10 relationships (5 with strippers).

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I stayed single. Starting at age 36, I have since found myself totally in love at least one woman in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016... all romances of at least 6 months on average, with different girls, and each getting better and better. Some hurt when they ended, but in hindsight, I wouldn't change anything. If I married that girl in 2007, think I would have felt totally in love with her every year?

Note I was in a relationship about half the time, and single half the time, living in 10 cities during those 10 relationships (5 with strippers).

bigneil,

Long term relationships aren't about "falling in love" over and over again. It's about shared experiences, trials and tribulations, having each others back, being responsible for one another and thru each of these the love that is there grows over time. Look at the Obama's. Michelle is a powerful attourney, yet she "submits" to her husband and does nothing that can harm him. This for many years, their love must be deep.

When people say "in love" to me it means infatuation mixed with physical attraction, and that fades.

Love is when you care about someone, almost like your kids.

 

[bigneil]

I've found that spiritual love is when you have a harmonic vibration with someone, and it feels different to hold them than anyone else. When you first speak to them, you feel a connection. When you first look in their eyes, time stands still. You find you can sense when they are in the room, and often where they are in the city, by their aura. When they are injured or absent, you feel it. When they hold you, you feel closer physically, as if your gears mesh perfectly tightly versus grinding.

The other love (high interest or physical attraction) is so elusive it's really tragic. Usually the girl wants it first, then she gets the guy to fall, then at some point it evaporates.

Then there is sexual chemistry (orgasmic love or lust).

Then there is family love.

Then there is love as a friend.

But what if you have all five?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I've found that spiritual love is when you have a harmonic vibration with someone, and it feels different to hold them than anyone else. You can sense when they are in the room, and often where they are in the city, by their aura. When they hold you, you feel closer physically, as if your gears mesh perfectly tightly versus grinding.

The other love (high interest or physical attraction) is so elusive it's really tragic. Usually the girl wants it first, then she gets the guy to fall, then at some point it evaporates.

Then there is sexual chemistry (orgasmic love or lust).

Then there is family love.

Then there is love as a friend.

But what if you have all five?

Physical attraction, mixed with infatuation and actual love is the very best combo. It's possible too.

 

[wifehunter]

Undocumented Marriage

 

[Poon King]

The reproduction thing is a bit of a myth. Sperm quality tends to drop off a cliff past 45. Also you may still be able knock them up but who the hell wants to deal full time with kids when you're 70. So being pragmatic I'd say 45 is the cut off point. Of course if you're a multi millionaire different rules apply.

It's a topic that does short-circuit people's logic. My 43 year old girlfriend was trying to convince me this year that she still had a chance of popping one out. yep like me when I buy my weekly lottery ticket.

Off a cliff huh?

I suspect that's just more of blue pill society fear tactics. I've heard the same claims made in the media. HOWEVER, I have seen no hard evidence of this whatsoever. I had a few male friends freak out and rush into relationships over this "sperm thing" so it clearly works. Ultimately, the woman's age seems to matter for reproduction much more than the man's age. Men have had normal kids in their 60's, 70's and 80's.

ubercat, does Donald Trump's son look deformed? He had him at 60. As far as sperm quality going down, I'm 46 and the girls still need a beach towel to mop up after I withdraw.

EXACTLY.

There are loads of so called "studies" put out in the media that later turned out to be pure sh!t. Now they say butter is healthy. A while ago they said eggs were bad for you. Now its the opposite. Not too long ago I actually met a real scientist at a work event. I started chatting with him and he told me there is pressure on the scientific community to put out new scientific discoveries on a regular basis.. even when nothing new is discovered. As a result.. they sometimes make sh!t up just to have something NEW to say. I kid you not. What usually happens is they make a "guess" and report it as a theory. THEN they go back and try to prove it later. You'll see "studies have shown" a lot more often than "studies have PROVEN". Now you know why.

And this doesn't even factor in political agendas.

 

[Poonani Maker]

There are loads of so called "studies" put out in the media that later turned out to be pure sh!t. Now they say butter is healthy. A while ago they said eggs were bad for you. Now its the opposite. Not too long ago I actually met a real scientist at a work event. I started chatting with him and he told me there is pressure on the scientific community to put out new scientific discoveries on a regular basis.. even when nothing new is discovered. As a result.. they sometimes make sh!t up just to have something NEW to say. I kid you not. What usually happens is they make a "guess" and report it as a theory. THEN they go back and try to prove it later. You'll see "studies have shown" a lot more often than "studies have PROVEN". Now you know why.

And this doesn't even factor in political agendas.

Yep. Occam's Razor is the way to arrive at truth. Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. The simplest explanation (obvious observable explanation) is usually the true explanation. Complexity is encouraged and pushed by the Devil, who loves placing confusion (damnation) on others.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

The alternative is build and maintain a high value existence as a bachelor that lasts in to middle and old age. That especially means staying in good physical and mental shape and young at heart.

I have lived and worked in among the most affluent boroughs in Western Europe. It's not unusual to see 50-60 year old gents walking the streets with women half their age on their arms.

A mate of mine who lives in Norway turned 50 last week. His long-term GF (probably a solid 8/10 when made up) is maybe 30 at the most.

Most young men can't handle women of any age properly, not long term. Websites like this are evidence enough of that.


As far as life choices are concerned however, I'd suggest greater consideration be paid to having children. Some guys are great with their kids and clearly thought about and understood what they were getting themselves in to. Some guys I've known and met lately clearly haven't.

Met a guy in the pub last week. Later my mate told me that he had only moved to London a few months ago, then accidentally got a girl pregnant on a home visit to Ireland. Now he is having to give up his new life, he's giving up a large portion of his freedom as a man to support a child he didn't expected to have, a child he doesn't want. You could see it on his face. I've seen it on the faces of (some of) my mates.

You can divorce from a marriage. In this day and age however, it's quite difficult to avoid parental responsibility, whether it be purely financial, or otherwise.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I've found that spiritual love is when you have a harmonic vibration with someone, and it feels different to hold them than anyone else. When you first speak to them, you feel a connection. When you first look in their eyes, time stands still. You find you can sense when they are in the room, and often where they are in the city, by their aura. When they are injured or absent, you feel it. When they hold you, you feel closer physically, as if your gears mesh perfectly tightly versus grinding.

The other love (high interest or physical attraction) is so elusive it's really tragic. Usually the girl wants it first, then she gets the guy to fall, then at some point it evaporates.

Then there is sexual chemistry (orgasmic love or lust).

Then there is family love.

Then there is love as a friend.

But what if you have all five?

nobody can emulate all that at once its impossible

unless you were to marry a clone of yourself

 

[Poon King]

Yep. Occam's Razor is the way to arrive at truth. Among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. The simplest explanation (obvious observable explanation) is usually the true explanation. Complexity is encouraged and pushed by the Devil, who loves placing confusion (damnation) on others.

And while we're on the subject of "studies" there are several that claim having kids is actually BAD for you:

Obviously reproduction is important for society and for continuing your blood line. BUT it comes at a cost and its often not good for the lives of the individual parents.