SmooveMooves,
I'm going to respond to you below, I'll quote you and respond below:
-Accountability for not expecting women to administer pvssy just because you're a "nice guy". Women do desire resourceful, powerful, men. And that's exactly what I'm recommending men pursue. Rather then supplicating to women & getting angry when she goes and fvcks someone who actually makes her wet. As for these "New rules of manhood" you speak of, I'm not talking about that shlt. I'm talking about exactly what the OP is, and that's supplicating AFCs & NiceGuys. Also, power is power. Economic, Political, and SOCIAL. Not sure why you'd give Social power a negative connotation, it has benefited me quite well.
Here's the thing, when you say women desire resourceful, powerful men, are you talking in terms of Economic and Political resources? Or just Social resources? From my experience with a lot of women I meet, when they are single mothers, it's always from a guy that has no Economic power at all, i.e., he's broke. He's broke now, he's always been broke, and the chick was paying for all of the bills (hers, the kids and HIS). Some guys in the PUA community might call this "pimping", but I call it trifling.
My point is that there's no way that women within this Generation
DESIRE Economically resourceful men when the vast majority of single mothers have children by deadbeats. Deadbeats aren't even at their level, they are below it.
Now, maybe you are referring to Social power? The pseudo Social power I am referring to is this "new cultural framework" that in order to be cool, you actually have to FIT the feminist version of manhood.
Thugs and Simps fit the feminist version of manhood, so from a Social standpoint they would more than likely be more celebrated than a Traditional MAN that has Economic and Political power, but who leads, establishes boundaries as well as knows how to turn the woman on. The women will fvck him, but because he's going against the "new rules of social construct" the women secretly can't stand him.
-No. The guy YOU described is far from a top dog. If you recall, YOU described a low quality woman with a 'Top Male' who is in and out of jail. Feminists and/or other masculine women might be 'internally pissed off' over a Top male. But a regular quality female will get gina tingles from one.
The Top Dog is subjective based upon what the Social norms are at the time. I believe that a Top Dog is a balanced man, a man with Economic and Political Power, who knows how to turn a chick on and get laid consistently. This man might or MIGHT NOT have Social Power, as his ideals might not line up with what is "popular" at the time, just as I described above. This is why a lot of Men become popular after they die, because their death causes a shift in Social norms.
In today's market, the Traditional Male IS NOT the popular male. The popular male is the Thug and the Simp.
- The Thug is the deadbeat, the loser, the guy in and out of jail. This is the guy most single mothers have kids by, as he's usually the guy that spend their early years with (16 - 25). While the Thug comes off strong, behind closed doors he's a Male Feminist and promotes an ideal that women can do no wrong.
- The Simp is the guy with his economic shyt together but he caters to women to a point that it makes him a Male Feminist. This is the guy that women want to marry, he will accept her baggage, her weight problems, all that, because he puts women on a pedestal. This is usually when women are maturing at around age 25 - 30.
- The Traditional Male gets laid in both categories, 16 - 25, 25 -30, and beyond because he represents a natural masculinity that touches biological bases. But due to Feminism, this guy is hated, because he's SUPPOSED to share the mentality of The Simp, but instead he's like The Thug with leadership, direction and a sense of purpose. In other words, he's attractive but can't be controlled.
Allow me to clarify my point, as from your responses, I believe it was misconstrued:
Men should not expect women to dish out vagina because they're 'nice dudes'. And Rather then complaining that women don't and should like nice guys. For no other reason then that they're nice, Men should be assertive, non-kiss-ass, unfeminine, and masculine. I never once advocated to be a lowlife dlckhead, like you so described.
Again, you have a very simplistic (black and white) point of view. It's NEVER been about being a Nice Guy or a Bad Boy, because there's no real concrete definitions for either of them. For example, when you say Nice Guys supplicate, well, that would mean that most Husbands and Male Fiances in America are Nice Guys right? Because most supplicate to their wives as that is technically what marriage is founded on.
However, those same guys that supplicate might also at times display traits of strength and leadership. I don't know ANY guy that supplicates all the time, nor who shows strength all the time as doing so would be impossible and inhuman.
In terms of getting LAID...this is a numbers and a matching game. If the chick is looking for a "come up" then The Simp is getting laid my friend, no matter how much he "supplicates". If the chick isn't looking for a come up but looking to just be wild or whatever, the Thug is getting laid even though some Thugs supplicate. If the chick is looking for male strength, usually the Traditional Male and the Thugs will be in line to get laid.
Getting laid is a matter of numbers and matching...it has nothing to do with some supposed Nice Guy/Bad Boy shyt. Also what ties into the lay is the guy's looks in general, every guy should strive to look the best they can and develop their personality in some aspect.
