"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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"We're not dating, just seeing each other"

Effington

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So I was out with my buddies on Saturday and one of my closest girlfriends, we'll call her Jen, called one of our mutual friends, we'll call her Sam, to get her to come out. I guess my face lit up or something when she told me Sam was coming out, so Jen told me I should ask her out. I told Jen I thought Sam was dating someone. Jen said she asked her about the guy, and Sam said, "I'm not dating anyone...we're just seeing each other". And Jen said I should go for Sam.

I asked my two older sister-in-laws and they both agreed that this means she is free game and I should go for her. My older brother and I thought that was pretty ridiculous.

That being said, I don't know the other guy nor do I care, so I have no reservations about making a move. However, if she wants to "upgrade" to me, does this mean she will cheat if she finds someone else she deems an upgrade in the future? Or should I assume they are just F-buddies and she's still on the market.

Sam never made it out that night so nothing happened after that.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

DJDamage

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It means she is dating (fvcking) the guy but nothing is written in stone.

Don't worry about her relationship with the guy, its none of your business and if she is receptive to your advances then go for it.
 

DeePee

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Seeing people = NOT EXCLUSIVE

What do you not understand? Go for her, and if she likes you she'll see more of you. The only issue I can see is if you want to have a commited relationship with her. The other guy is in the picture, and you have to get her to see the value in you. In turn, she will drop that guy altogether (and any other guys she's seeing) to be with you, and only you.

Simple as that.
 
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