"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Weird date, what could I have done better?

newbie221

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Hi!

I just had the weirdest date I have ever had.
I will first tell the pickup:

I was really focussed and my comfort zone was expanded that evening. It was the fourth girl I approached. I opened her directly, she seemed nervous. A minute later in the conversation I asked: "what is your favorite color", she answered "i don't know waaah I didn't prepare this, sorry". After a while I number closed her and she seemed somewhat surprised that I wanted her number.

SMS-game: She really seemed interested, she even texted she was excited and 'smileys' everywhere etc. I texted: "lets get a drink in the centre of the city", she answered: "okey :) you choose what restaurant :) xxx"

The Meeting:
She wasn't quite as good-looking as I thought she was. During the conversation, she didn't look me in the eyes, kept looking at the floor next to the table, wasn't very responsive. I teased her a bit, and touched her a bit, but her 'state' didn't change. Then something weird happened; she started to ask me questions and really seemed to look for a reason to 'reject' me or something. She said: "oh you aren't a fan of rock music are you, because that would really be a problem", "oh you don't like that show do you, because I really hate that". Wat was weird was, that she seemed to change her own opinion on some things if I disagreed with her. Later she asked; are you right-wing or left-wing (politics). I told her I voted for a certain right wing politician.. Then she suddenly went into a debate-modus or something; "How can you vote for that man!". She started to really speak in an attacking way about the politician. After talking about it for a while (I didn't change my opinion on things ofcourse) I said: "If you really dislike it that much, then there is the door". Then a silence occured,,, "I'm just trying to understand why you voted for that guy", she said.
After that, we went outside for a little walk trough the city. Again, she was like before and didn't make eye contact. We talked a bit, she started to talk about the politician again a few times, but everytime I changed the subject. I tried to loosen her up a little bit again but nothing changed the way she was being. Then I was like, whatever maybe I can get at least a ONS and some 'reference experience' out of it, and I tried to kiss her, she rejected my attempt and said: "I don't want a wild night".


My conclusion: The girl was insecure and couln't believe I wanted her, therefore she started looking for reasons to not like me and 'reject' me, based on opinions about music, food, politics etc.

Is this conclusion right or am I just being rediculously delusional.

What do you guys think about this?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Allurre

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LOL. This girl is indeed insecure. Judging from what I've read, she seemed TENSE throughout the night. The girl was an emotional wreck and needs to sharpen her communication skills.

Don't be surprised IF women are the ones that are insecure with themselves.
 

CatB

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From the information you've given, she sounds like a girl who hasn't been on many dates, or really understands flirting and dating very well.

There are (surprise surprise!) a lot of insecure women who are just as bad at dating as some men are. It's quite possible that she's one of them.

Most important, don't worry about this one incidence. I don't think you did anything 'wrong' or could've done anything 'better'.
 

909pua

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hey man, this girl will let you bang her brains out if you do it right. the girl im talking to right now is just like, even LJBF'd me, and i turned it around and did some KINO, massages, kissing hands, etc leading to an EROTIC massage, and a sexual kiss then eventually my tongue down her slit. you need to step it up. The way i look at the game is, if the girl is front of you and she's talking to you , she's giving you a chance. She didnt' necessarily reject you, you didn't lead up to it to warm her up. you need to be more joking, silly, poking at her, not ****y too much (some girls dont like this), and funny. she will loosen up and rid her B*tch shield .... trust me.. and she will start poking fun at you then you're game.
 

pua1989

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agreed with 909pua...she was saying stuff like "that would really be a problem" (obviously hinting jokingly at relationship stuff) i would call her back, small talk it for 2 mins or whatever then say "so what are you wearin right now?"
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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