"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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The best thing you can do is find a good wingman group or just make new friends. My buddy down in the city joined a mobile chat group where guys discuss pickup. They frequently go out and have a good time together.

I went out with them a couple times and there was varying degrees of gaming ability throughout the group. For the most part the group consisted of regular guys who just wanted to have fun discussing and meeting women. And there werent losers or try-hards in the group from what I noticed. The aim was mostly to have fun and chill out.

Find a group like that, and learn from naturals. While Im sure certain PUAs have helped guys turn their dating life around, I really believe it can be done for free with good friends. Make new friends, learn from them, and save your cash. Hell, you could probably establish a decent wingman group through Meetup.com, WhatsApp, or Craigslist.

Also, it never hurts to make friends with random guys either while you are out. I made a couple of decent wingmen by doing that while I was out alone. I saw they werent really with anyone so I just chatted and suggested we chill and help each other with women that night. One guy and I stayed good wings for a year until he stabbed me in the back and put hoes before bros.

Good luck.
 

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What a bunch of losers. Crazy people join those groups and are weirdos and losers. They pretend to have game but do not know anything. Some of them try to sell phony products and people buy them and get angry they did not work and became angry too having hate. Best to stay away from the fringe and develop your own game that works for you being a normal guy. Most of those guys are fools.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Once I get back on my feet financially I'm moving the fcuk out of this city. This city continues to suck the life out of me. Most of these PUA guys especially the fan boys from rsd are creepy as fcuk. They dress like $hit, don't take care of themselves, have no job, aren't in school and still living at home with their parents, 99% of their friends are other pua's, they have no hobbies and interests, and have no ambition. Is it any wonder they are losers? I tried to suggest to a few of these guys to work on themselves and go get some hobbies, workout, and make friends but they refused to listen because of their arrogance. One of them told me his goal in life was to just sleep with women and become rich, yet he hasn't done jack to make any money and still lives at home with his parents.
 
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thunder_god said:
Once I get back on my feet financially I'm moving the fcuk out of this city. This city continues to suck the life out of me. Most of these PUA guys especially the fan boys from rsd are creepy as fcuk. They dress like shirt, don't take care of themselves, have no job, aren't in school and still living at home with their parents, 99% of their friends are other pua's, they have no hobbies and interests, and have no ambition. Is it any wonder they are losers? I tried to suggest to a few of these guys to work on themselves and go get some hobbies, workout, and make friends but they refused to listen because of their arrogance. One of them told me his goal in life was to just sleep with women and become rich, yet he hasn't done jack to make any money and still lives at home with his parents.
LOL. True. I've been to a few RSD events and the guys that go there are usually creepy and "ratty" looking guys. Then there's a handful of dudes that are genuinely cool and go there to see what's up.

Don't judge too much though, because some of those "loser" guys will get themselves in gear and make huge progress in a year. I've seen it happen. It's not pretty WHILE it's happening, but they reach a point where they become pretty cool dudes.

The only thing I don't like is that some of them talk about game 24/7, sometimes I just want to BS around.
 

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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Today I said "excuse me" to a girl in the mall. She ignored me and walked away. I kept walking and i felt someone tapping on my shoulder. I turn around and its the same girl. She says if you talk to me again i will call the cops.

There you go Vancouver for you.
 

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Dude, what kind of vibes were you giving her? damn
 

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Ive neeeever had that happen to me. Damn lol
 

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mustfirstregister said:
Today I said "excuse me" to a girl in the mall. She ignored me and walked away. I kept walking and i felt someone tapping on my shoulder. I turn around and its the same girl. She says if you talk to me again i will call the cops.

There you go Vancouver for you.
I would have been like "go ahead". That's Canadian women for you. Although I never had this happen to me before. The worse I even got was a "fukc off" from a chick out in the street.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Jesus. Call the cops haha tell her to do it. I wouldn't take that BS from a random girl.

PUA tends to be a bunch of weirdos. The only PUA guys I can think that seem normal is the SimplePickup guys. They teach some good stuff, but again it's all about pickup and nothing else.

You are generalizing and prejudging. how are you different from the girl i approached.
 

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I would have been like "go ahead". That's Canadian women for you. Although I never had this happen to me before. The worse I even got was a "fukc off" from a chick out in the street.
I never had the "f off" from approaches. She walked away fast, i didnt even have a chance to say anything back.
 

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I personally know the guy in OP's link. We've known him for a couple of years. I chat with him on TinyChat on a weekly basis. Everyone in the chat knew he's demented in the head.
 

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All I know is every since the PUA thing caught on, it merged with a lot of self help type "gurus". One of my friends became one. They talk about self improvement and changing mindset and things, yet I don't see them become any more successful.

He tried to sell the self improvement shctick in our social circle but no one bought it, because we could see from his own life he didn't really have any good results.

I think the main thing to get is a lot of these people who claim to help you (especially with charging money lol), are actually trying to build cult of personalities around themselves.

I've said several months ago, be careful of who you get your advice from because many are trying to sell you things. Take the things that work for you, throw out the rest. Now we see certain prominent figures that I won't name, trying to cash out on their whole movement, selling a bunch of societal self help BS and also claiming he came up with every masculine idea in the past decade (despite written proof of it being around much longer).

These types of people are not trying to build you up though they pretend to by selling improvement, they are trying to build their own base up. Granted upward social striving person does this, but you need to be aware so you do not serve someone else.
 

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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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