"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

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We shouldn't hit on women? I don't get it.

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in my experience, she's probably more likely to go for the chode than for any of the 25 guys. More likely, she will realize how idiotic the 25 guys are for competing over her and will eventually start to chase after the one guy who she can't easily have.

But you are all missing the point. Why should any of the 25 guys be hitting on her? Why should they be trying to impress her instead of just trying to get to know her?! You all should re-read Pook.
Doesn't happen. Sorry to sound arrogant but that just will not happen on a consistent basis. I'm not sure what experience you have had but in the real world that guy will get ignored unless he has extreme social proof. To suggest otherwise is a Keyboard Jockey's wetdream.

Idiotic those guys may be, that is besides my point. We all (should) know that a "reaction-seeking, trying-to-impress" frame is far from ideal. However, you are still far more likely to succeed by actually taking action than by sitting on the sidelines.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I didn't say the chode was likely to get with her. I said he was more likely than any of the hormongering chumps who are competing for her attention. Big difference. Patience will especially work if the people will see each other on a regular basis, as in work situations.

Read the links I posted about NOT FLIRTING, and become enlightened.
 

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LeComteDeMonteCristo said:
Probably the alpha male out of those 25. Certainly not the chode sitting by himself in the corner trying to act cool and disinterested.
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The best looking/richest 5 of the 25 that are hitting on her... She is to busy with them to worry about the quiet guy by himself in the corner....
Read my first post. I never said anything about sitting in a corner and not talking to the woman. That is avoiding women. Alpha males do not compete with a group of men for a womans attention! lol

You both don't get what some of us are saying. Another way of looking at it is that women know when (AFC) men are hitting on them but you can attract them (DJ) by being your best self.
 

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EFFORT said:
Yeah we have different different ideas of what it is.
would you please define your stance on the meaning of "hitting on"? I would love to learn your meaning.

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David DeAngelo Jr. ??
:D I have not read anything wrote by David DeAngelo in almost two years.

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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Read my first post. I never said anything about sitting in a corner and not talking to the woman. That is avoiding women. Alpha males do not compete with a group of men for a womans attention! lol

You both don't get what some of us are saying. Another way of looking at it is that women know when (AFC) men are hitting on them but you can attract them (DJ) by being your best self.
It's not about me getting what you are saying. I read your first post and I agree with it. That goes without saying. I just think people are far far too worried about being a "DJ" or whatever. I say to hell with it, go out there and be an AFC. At least those AFCs are actually taking some action while the "DJs" on this site are mentally masturbating with Pook's posts. To hell with all the crap you've read on this site, purge it from your mind. Go out several times per week, talk to at least five groups of women per week, use your gut instinct instead of worrying about being a DJ. In a couple of months you will be socially calibrated enough to see how completely irrelevant questions such as the OP are.
 

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Pook is all about action, jackass. Do not insult the Great One.

And no, competing with a group of guys for a woman's attention will almost never work. You've heard of c0ckblocking and the fact that it can mess up even the most attuned of players? Well, imagine being c0ckblocked by 24 guys at once, and then tell me you still think taking "action" would leave you feeling satisfied at the end of the night.
 

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would you please define your stance on the meaning of "hitting on"? I would love to learn your meaning.


:D I have not read anything wrote by David DeAngelo in almost two years.

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yeah i just view hitting on a chick as being playful, teasing her,c+f, flirting, making fun of her, busting her balls, bantering, (basically all the same thing just different words for marketing)
 

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EFFORT said:
yeah i just view hitting on a chick as being playful, teasing her,c+f, flirting, making fun of her, busting her balls, bantering, (basically all the same thing just different words for marketing)
basically, what I was saying. Just with different words.

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“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Pook is all about action, jackass. Do not insult the Great One.

And no, competing with a group of guys for a woman's attention will almost never work. You've heard of c0ckblocking and the fact that it can mess up even the most attuned of players? Well, imagine being c0ckblocked by 24 guys at once, and then tell me you still think taking "action" would leave you feeling satisfied at the end of the night.
Who cares whether Pook is all about action? How does that affect anyone else? My concern is with the masses of men who would rather analyze his articles instead of getting out there and experiencing things for themselves. That is what leads to people posting questions like the OP. That is just not something someone would ask if he actually had real life experiences to use as a point of reference.

Go outside, go somewhere where there are lots of women. Talk to them without being inside your head, without worrying about what Pook or whoever would do. Don't worry about being ****blocked by 25 guys. That will never happen. You only need to do this for a couple of months and soon you will see how completely irrelevant most of this site is.
 

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I thought that said "shouldn't hit women".
 

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Obsidian said:
I didn't say the chode was likely to get with her. I said he was more likely than any of the hormongering chumps who are competing for her attention. Big difference. Patience will especially work if the people will see each other on a regular basis, as in work situations.

Read the links I posted about NOT FLIRTING, and become enlightened.
LETS PUT IT THIS WAY... all the dude who she finds attractive will have a chance... but the chode in the corner will usually get the sloppy second thirds an fourths... Or may take so long that he becomes her friend before he gets her in bed and then never does...LOL
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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comic_relief said:
I understand what Pook was trying to say and I have to say that he is spot on.

Hitting on a girl = showing your cards too quickly

If you show your cards too quickly, then there won't be ANY mystery. She will think "Oh no, just another loser."

BUT!!!

Approaching a girl and talking casually + c/f = wtf?!? Does he like me or doesn't he? I cannot count the number of times that I have used that and got a success with the ladies.

Actually, my current girlfriend didn't know I even liked her for about three weeks because I would constantly tease her and just act friendly. Then, as she was complaining to me about her weight and her best friend was there.
Her: "I look ugly."
Me: "Stop that right now, you are actually one of the most attractive women that I ever met."

This played an entire 180 degree reversal in her mind. Now, we have been dating for eight months and two days.

When you go in hitting on a girl, you already are placing her on a pedestal. If she is on a pedestal, then you cannot see who she truely is. As DJ's, it is our duty to only pick out the best. My current girlfriend didn't knew I liked her because I didn't know that I liked her at all.

Approach = no desire for anything but a good friendship.

Don't hit on her, just approach her as you would a male friend. Try to make friends to find out what she is like then decide.

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I forgot one major part of his theory.

Since Pook was a subscriber and writer of Anti-Dump's machine. He also subscribed to the theory of treating every woman like they are the same. I personally, treat every girl like they were a guy.

Treat them like they were one of your buds that you go out with.

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DonGorgon said:
LETS PUT IT THIS WAY... all the dude who she finds attractive will have a chance... but the chode in the corner will usually get the sloppy second thirds an fourths... Or may take so long that he becomes her friend before he gets her in bed and then never does...LOL
You don't get it.

-Are women attracted to men who treats her like a goddess and therefore making himself seem unworthy?
-Nobody said anything about sitting in a corner and avoiding women. Difference is DJ's don't treast women like goddesses unlike the unworthy AFC's who look rediculous competing with each other for a woman.
-The last part where you talk about becoming friends is more likely to happen to all the AFC's making fools of themselves. They are the ones who are deminstrating they'll do anything for her attention which means they are certain to get friend zoned.
 

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Most of these chumps are too lazy to actually read Anti-Dump's Machine, even though I posted all the links for them. :rolleyes: Just let them all keep flirting with girls and competing for their attention. See how far it gets them.
 

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Obsidian said:
Most of these chumps are too lazy to actually read Anti-Dump's Machine, even though I posted all the links for them. :rolleyes: Just let them all keep flirting with girls and competing for their attention. See how far it gets them.
Yeah let them learn the hard way. I've been where they are and got nowhere. Even though they don't get what we're saying (which is ok, they'll learn) some are still trying to argue against it. :rolleyes:
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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