We should really have a talk about this scam that "Men peak in their 40s", it's not helping the young fellas at all

[CornbreadFed]

that was the point to illustrate how status can allow someone to punch above their weight. and how one can utilize that on a small scale (@zekko example of niche status) compared to a celebrity does on a much larger scale.

Yeah, my dad is a retired professor and high school principal, and for as long as I can remember, he’s had attractive former female students acting like paparazzi wherever we went, and he still does. My first kiss was in middle school from an 8th grader because some girl thought I was cute because I was the principal's kid. The average guy online might not realize just how much clout a professor or educator can have, especially given their general dislike for the education system.

 

[Solomon]

You can tell someone's desperately grasping for straws when they say stuff like "if Mick Jagger can attract a girlfriend 50 years younger than him, then it's realistic for me too".

Ah, OK bro.

If you're in your mid 40s, girls in their early 20s won't want you no matter how good your "game" is unless you're worth $10 million plus. Totally delusional. As if somehow, women in their early 20s can't find a guy in their 20s and 30s.

BINGO-you can bag baddies if you worth $10 million easy, you got a lame Blackpill dating coach dork who is in his 50's who makes Tik Tok videos bragging about splurging on young foids lmfaooo

 

[pipeman84]

1). The guy has more money and status than the average chump. This is not a gotcha case.

2). You have absolutely zero idea on what is truly going on in this relationship. If you really think this relationship is genuine attraction and not transactional then I have some oil I want to sell you.

1. Actually that's an absolute GOTCHA example for all the nonsense that's spouted on this forum that if one's a day over 40, the only way a 20yrs old girl would look at him is if he's wealthy (at least $10M as the previous poster put it) and gymmaxxed.

2. All the evidence points to it being a relationship based on genuine attraction. Why else would an early 20s girl marry a late 50s guy who's not wealthy/famous/good looking? There's nothing to indicate that's a transactional relationship. Most guys her age have more money than him, if you consider their earning potential and their family's money. The girl is college educated and doesn't give off hoe/gold digger vibes.

 

[quodlibet]

^ They haven't posted in almost a year. Maybe they divorced.

 

[CornbreadFed]

1. Actually that's an absolute GOTCHA example for all the nonsense that's spouted on this forum that if one's a day over 40, the only way a 20yrs old girl would look at him is if he's wealthy (at least $10M as the previous poster put it) and gymmaxxed.

2. All the evidence points to it being a relationship based on genuine attraction. Why else would an early 20s girl marry a late 50s guy who's not wealthy/famous/good looking? There's nothing to indicate that's a transactional relationship. Most guys her age have more money than him, if you consider their earning potential and their family's money. The girl is college educated and doesn't give off hoe/gold digger vibes.

A tenured professor has authority & social status, decent & stable salaries (200k plus is not uncommon), and a retirement plan. In addition, this guy probably is actually interesting to talk to in person and not insufferable. Essentially, he is a local celebrity. Whether you like it or not, he is a high-status male on par with the local doctor, local lawyer, etc. If you think this dude is on a similar level as some dorkie dusty 40-plus guy still working at Amazon, then you are just completely wrong.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Then how do you explain a couple like this one? Retired professor, not wealthy, 38 years age gap, definitely not the looks of Jason Statham.
The argument that a girl in her early 20s won't want a mid 40s guy because there are plenty of guys in their 20s and 30s to choose from can be easily dismantled by just taking its apparent logic a step further: why would she choose YOU, 27yrs old Joe Schmoe, when there are plenty other guys richer, taller, and more fit?

The study linked below states that, across 130 countries, on average, men are 4.2 years older than their partners, the biggest gap being 8.6 years in sub-Saharan countries while the lowest is 2.2 years in North America. Also, the median age difference was 5.4 years.

Therefore, by mentioning one couple with a 38-year age gap and overlooking the amount of data available regarding couples being closer in age, your example becomes not only unusual and an outlier, but it is also a prime example of a cherry-picking fallacy, where someone selects a single example that supports their argument while ignoring the larger body of evidence that contradicts it.

(PDF) The Age Difference Between Spouses: Variations among Developing Countries

 

[pipeman84]

The study linked below states that, across 130 countries, on average, men are 4.2 years older than their partners, the biggest gap being 8.6 years in sub-Saharan countries while the lowest is 2.2 years in North America. Also, the median age difference was 5.4 years.

Therefore, by mentioning one couple with a 38-year age gap and overlooking the amount of data available regarding couples being closer in age, your example becomes not only unusual and an outlier, but it is also a prime example of a cherry-picking fallacy, where someone selects a single example that supports their argument while ignoring the larger body of evidence that contradicts it.

(PDF) The Age Difference Between Spouses: Variations among Developing Countries

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My real world, huge outlier example was used to counter the nonsensical statement that unless a +40yrs guy old is at the very least millionaire (if not also gymmaxxed and with a full hairline) he has no chance with a girl in her 20s. I don't deny the statistics, they're simply a mirror of the mediocrity out there.

Why should people who are working to self improve and particularly members of this forum be interested in that? It's like being on a health and fitness/running/endurance sports related forum and showing stats about the average weight and average number of steps taken in a day by guys in the 30-50yrs bracket. What's that got to do with anything? If I'm training for a 10k or half marathon, what do I care what the average couch potato weighs and does in a day?

 

[Velasco]

I don't deny the statistics, they're simply a mirror of the mediocrity out there

exactly. similar to how the statistical lifetime sexual partners of males across the world is somewhere between 6-15 partners has no relevance to me.

 

[CornbreadFed]

My real world, huge outlier example was used to counter the nonsensical statement that unless a +40yrs guy old is at the very least millionaire (if not also gymmaxxed and with a full hairline) he has no chance with a girl in her 20s. I don't deny the statistics, they're simply a mirror of the mediocrity out there.

Why should people who are working to self improve and particularly members of this forum be interested in that? It's like being on a health and fitness/running/endurance sports related forum and showing stats about the average weight and average number of steps taken in a day by guys in the 30-50yrs bracket. What's that got to do with anything? If I'm training for a 10k or half marathon, what do I care what the average couch potato weighs and does in a day?

Regardless of age, a man has to rely on looks, money, and status to attract women who are in demand, and as he gets older, money and status become more important. That’s just how the system works, and there’s no easy way around it. Believing a woman will be interested in a 40-plus dorky guy with nothing to offer is just naive, fairy-tale Disney thinking.

 

[Clockwerk50]

My real world, huge outlier example was used to counter the nonsensical statement that unless a +40yrs guy old is at the very least millionaire (if not also gymmaxxed and with a full hairline) he has no chance with a girl in her 20s. I don't deny the statistics, they're simply a mirror of the mediocrity out there.

Why should people who are working to self improve and particularly members of this forum be interested in that? It's like being on a health and fitness/running/endurance sports related forum and showing stats about the average weight and average number of steps taken in a day by guys in the 30-50yrs bracket. What's that got to do with anything? If I'm training for a 10k or half marathon, what do I care what the average couch potato weighs and does in a day?

Because that's the point of the data. The data is not saying that a 40-year-old man can never date or sleep with a woman in her early 20s. The data is just saying that, on average, people are much more likely to date someone close to their own age, and the bigger the age gap, the less common those relationships become.

Your example does not show how frequent or likely it is; it only shows that it is possible. If your goal is to maximize your chances with women in their early 20s, then, on average, being younger gives you better odds. However, if you're 40, you can't make yourself 22 again, so basing your expectations on extreme outliers instead on what typically happens is just wishful thinking.

 

[Velasco]

it only shows that it is possible

and that’s all you need to know. that its possible. for sh1t and giggles i typed in how statistically likely is my own relationship with my gf and the data shows its 0.1% likely:

does that have any relevance to me? no and it shouldn’t to anyone here either bc ur here to be better than the average man.

 

[The Duke]

depends if we talk about semantics for the sake of talking semantics or if you want to add something of value to the topic

I do not know any guy my age or older that have a lot of energy

Ever heard of birds of a feather flock together? There are plenty of high energy types in their 40's that still have plenty of gas left in the tank. I've always been high energy and pack my schedule full every day at 50. In my 40's I quit doing things with people my own age because they were boring and had no energy. The reason you don't know anyone your age or older could have a lot to do with your own self. Just a thought, but we are out there. Try having a girlfriend that is 20 years younger. ;-)

 

[Clockwerk50]

and that’s all you need to know. that its possible. for sh1t and giggles i typed in how statistically likely is my own relationship with my gf and the data shows its 0.1% likely:

does that have any relevance to me? no and it shouldn’t to anyone here either bc ur here to be better than the average man.

The only thing that can be concluded from this study is that your odds of dating a younger woman are higher the closer in age you are to her. There is nothing in your argument that shows that a wider age gap leads to higher odds. An outlier example only shows that something is possible, not that it is common or that it improves your chances.

However, if you want to argue that you can increase your odds by manipulating different factors like location, lifestyle, status, consistency, expanding your social circle, appealing to a younger demographic, financial success, etc., I’m sure you are good at that.