we have reached peak ambivalence towards women

[Slowhandluke]

I still remember when it was shameful to be a virgin... or, like how Piers put it, "incell". Now the younger generation just dont care. Women and feminism has ruin their only big advantage- sex. Men (especially. young men) just dont care about sex as much. on the other hand, Pierson who represents the older generation, and older time period is flabbergasted.

I never would have thought we we ever get to this position. Guys always want sex, right? especially the young ones... I guess not.

There was also a bill forcing men to pay for the pregnancy of women they got pregnant. I thought this would be a slam dunk, but I never seen so much push back to this seemingly "common sense" law. for example, people complaining about women who lie about who the father are.. or other nefarious things women do. before, women were mostly considered "full or rainbows and sunshine". she wouldnt lie or take advantage of laws, etc... but more and more, society is making women take accountability.

the pendulum is swinging. it seems that in 5 years it could swing very, very hard against women. Men gave them a lot of power, men can take it back.... women should be careful

 

[Bible_Belt]

My hometown of 20,000 people was recently in the news again. We performed 11,000 abortions last year. So somebody's fvcking somewhere.

 

[Slowhandluke]

My hometown of 20,000 people was recently in the news again. We performed 11,000 abortions last year. So somebody's fvcking somewhere.

the chads are having sex with everyone... and some women are using abortions as a contraceptive because "it wouldnt happen to me, he'll pull out".

 

[characternote]

One thing I’ve noticed over the last few years is how much the whole idea of being a “player” has changed. When I was younger, it felt like sleeping with loads of girls was something people actually admired. Respected. It was seen as cool! almost like a badge of honour. If i'm honest, I partly got into it all to look cool to people and get some 'respect' and it worked. I wanted to be known amongst my friends as someone who gets laid


But now… it doesn’t seem to land the same way. Just from spending time with my nephew and my younger work mates etc, It seems like there’s way less desire to chase that lifestyle?? It’s not something others actually seem jealous of anymore. If anything, a lot of people don’t even want it, seemingly!!

Can't really explain it, tbh. Is it just because it's so out of reach for most people now? like, since the smart phone and social media/internet dating etc, the tiny percentage of 6ft 2 chiseled jawed chads are taking everyones share lol? And so it's not really something most people 'see' outside of celebrity or whatever? A bit like how i'm not jelous of peple with private jets. I'd like one, but I never spend a second thinking about it. Like ever!

Or is it some sort of culture shift and more people want 'connection' now and don't see racking up a high body count as anything to be proud of?

Another 'similar'(?) example is that years back when I was full on 'pua', i'd SUBTLY let girls find out I was someone who done pretty well with women. And I feel like it worked (I guess you'd call it a DHV in them days). But nowadays, I feel like girls LOSE interest if they think you are someone who bangs lots of girls lol

 

[zekko]

the pendulum is swinging. it seems that in 5 years it could swing very, very hard against women. Men gave them a lot of power, men can take it back.... women should be careful

Women who act too smug about being able to attract men is a big turnoff for me.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I've noticed that guys at work don't talk about girls anymoe.

 

[Slowhandluke]

But now… it doesn’t seem to land the same way. Just from spending time with my nephew and my younger work mates etc, It seems like there’s way less desire to chase that lifestyle?? It’s not something others actually seem jealous

Or is it some sort of culture shift and more people want 'connection' now and don't see racking up a high body count as anything to be proud of?

yeah, that's the same thing I noticed with my nephew. its really blowing my mind. I thought it might just be the kids that i know (they are late teens, early 20's)

Guys use to really chase women.. especially attractive women. but even then, less guys are doing that. I guess women were chasing chads, and blowing off regular/average guys... and now average guys just dont care. Even attractive guys, they get rejected every now and then, they probably getting tired of the chase and the possibility of getting rejected or publicly shamed for just firting - no matter slight the possibility. Or perhaps they are just tired of all the tail they got earlier??? hahahah

We also have porn.. perhaps there's no mystery anymore for guys. Guys dont put women on a pedestal anymore. Beauty isn't working... its very strange to me right now. I guess all the negative aspects of dating/relationships is being imbibed by regular guys?

this interview with Nick where he doesn't care about being called an incell or not ever having sex AND being proud of it.... shiet, that insane. It's going mainstream. It seems the idea of not caring about sex is getting mainstream. I think Charlie kirk also saved himself for marriage?

imho, its huge. Without sex... what do women actually have? nothing? 10 to 15 years of beauty.. of youth... if this keeps up, this generation of women will be old and they too will lose out...

I guess my mind is so blown that women have become so incorrigible, people - men, are happy saying to the world, they are virgins and being proud of it.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

I think men can feel fine about being a volcel. Not so fine about being an incel.

 

[Redwood]

I've noticed that guys at work don't talk about girls anymoe.

Yeah, I've noticed. They're more concerned about another career/job, hobbies, and/or traveling, at least when I'm there. Now when I'm not around...

 

[zekko]

Yeah, I've noticed. They're more concerned about another career/job, hobbies, and/or traveling, at least when I'm there.

Actually, I see that as a good thing, especially being concerned about their careers. For awhile there, it seemed liked guys had no interest in their career if they weren't getting laid, and they were letting the girls lap them. Maybe guys will regain their independence and build something up for themselves, and in that way become men again.

 

[Solomon]

I still remember when it was shameful to be a virgin... or, like how Piers put it, "incell". Now the younger generation just dont care. Women and feminism has ruin their only big advantage- sex. Men (especially. young men) just dont care about sex as much. on the other hand, Pierson who represents the older generation, and older time period is flabbergasted.

I never would have thought we we ever get to this position. Guys always want sex, right? especially the young ones... I guess not.

There was also a bill forcing men to pay for the pregnancy of women they got pregnant. I thought this would be a slam dunk, but I never seen so much push back to this seemingly "common sense" law. for example, people complaining about women who lie about who the father are.. or other nefarious things women do. before, women were mostly considered "full or rainbows and sunshine". she wouldnt lie or take advantage of laws, etc... but more and more, society is making women take accountability.

the pendulum is swinging. it seems that in 5 years it could swing very, very hard against women. Men gave them a lot of power, men can take it back.... women should be careful

It isn't that men don't care about sex, they do just go on X or any other social media outlet, talking about feminism or male loneliness is a lot of men who got a lot to say about women and the modern state of dating. I think they do care, but they've got to a point where they don't care about chasing it or trying. You got some of these guys who have dealt with nothing but rejection, it's easier to be a victim than continue to try something again and again and agian and again just to fail in their minds.

I do agree the pendulum is swinging I've been saying this the last 2 years, it's swinging slowly but you will see it pick up speed especially as the economy continues to crack and AI replaces jobs. What men deem women as complaining is actually women silently begging for men to step up cause women know the reckoning is coming. What women and society think is men giving up is men not playing the game anymore just to end up with a woman who already is ran through.

 

[Solomon]

One thing I’ve noticed over the last few years is how much the whole idea of being a “player” has changed. When I was younger, it felt like sleeping with loads of girls was something people actually admired. Respected. It was seen as cool! almost like a badge of honour. If i'm honest, I partly got into it all to look cool to people and get some 'respect' and it worked. I wanted to be known amongst my friends as someone who gets laid


But now… it doesn’t seem to land the same way. Just from spending time with my nephew and my younger work mates etc, It seems like there’s way less desire to chase that lifestyle?? It’s not something others actually seem jealous of anymore. If anything, a lot of people don’t even want it, seemingly!!

Can't really explain it, tbh. Is it just because it's so out of reach for most people now? like, since the smart phone and social media/internet dating etc, the tiny percentage of 6ft 2 chiseled jawed chads are taking everyones share lol? And so it's not really something most people 'see' outside of celebrity or whatever? A bit like how i'm not jelous of peple with private jets. I'd like one, but I never spend a second thinking about it. Like ever!

Or is it some sort of culture shift and more people want 'connection' now and don't see racking up a high body count as anything to be proud of?

Another 'similar'(?) example is that years back when I was full on 'pua', i'd SUBTLY let girls find out I was someone who done pretty well with women. And I feel like it worked (I guess you'd call it a DHV in them days). But nowadays, I feel like girls LOSE interest if they think you are someone who bangs lots of girls lol

I think men can feel fine about being a volcel. Not so fine about being an incel.

Yeah, I've noticed. They're more concerned about another career/job, hobbies, and/or traveling, at least when I'm there. Now when I'm not around...

I think another sign is the low testosterone I know when I'm stressed out and my test is off I could care less about chasing girls or getting coochie. Especially as you get older as a man it starts to drop regardless,but we are talking about men who are prime aged 18-35. The Low Testosterone thing is real