" We have been abandoned by our own country."

[naoi deag se deag]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
Libertarians don't believe in taxes (we need tax money to pay for social programs) and think drugs should be legalized. That's what turns me off to that party. Those are two deal breakers for me.

Since this forum has become increasingly lax about politics, I'll jump in. Libertarians don't believe in income taxes (that's the US party line) BECAUSE they don't believe the government should operate social programs. Libertarians believe that the US federal government should be restrained to its constitutional duties, namely providing for the common defense and keeping law and order in the country. There's nothing in the constitution that says the federal government should help its people out with handouts. Case in point: during a very bad drought in the Midwest in the late 1800s where farmers were starving to death, President Grover Cleveland said he couldn't find anything in the constitution that required the federal government to help the victims out. THAT'S libertarianism.

It would everyone in America with a lot more freedom and a much greater percentage of their earnings (No income tax! No Social Security! No Medicare deductions!) at the cost of a compassionate government that provides a "safety net" for its citizens. I used to be a libertarian till I grew a heart

 

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All you haters who said im a sick fvck! This message is for you!!!

You dumb***es. I said its bad what happend! Its not like i was laughing at her dieing. It was funny the way he just changed his whole attitude, NOT THE PART OF THE WOMAN DIEING.

YOU SEE WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS: You just listen to all the bad things to complain about, when their was a good thing in it. YOU CHANCE THE WHOLE STORY AROUND THINKING THAT I WAS LAUGHING AT THE STORY INSTEAD OF HIS ATTITUDE!!!

JUST LIKE DEMOCRATS, ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT BUSH DID THAT WAS WRONG.

ALWAYS CHANGING HIS WORDS AROUND INTO SOMETHING HE DIDN'T SAY, JUST TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD.

YOU GUYS ARE THE SICK F**KS!!

 

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Originally posted by whyshy
All you haters who said im a sick fvck! This message is for you!!!

You dumb***es. I said its bad what happend! Its not like i was laughing at her dieing. It was funny the way he just changed his whole attitude, NOT THE PART OF THE WOMAN DIEING.

YOU SEE WHAT YOUR PROBLEM IS: You just listen to all the bad things to complain about, when their was a good thing in it. YOU CHANCE THE WHOLE STORY AROUND THINKING THAT I WAS LAUGHING AT THE STORY INSTEAD OF HIS ATTITUDE!!!

JUST LIKE DEMOCRATS, ALWAYS COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT BUSH DID THAT WAS WRONG.

ALWAYS CHANGING HIS WORDS AROUND INTO SOMETHING HE DIDN'T SAY, JUST TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD.

YOU GUYS ARE THE SICK F**KS!!

that still was a tasteless thing to say even though you may have found it funny. i dont think tim russert would have burst out laughing nor the other 99.99999 percent of those who saw that would either.

oh and by the way, bush is an idiot, regardless of party affiliation, for appointing an incompetent person to head FEMA

 

[Wyldfire]

Originally posted by naoi deag se deag
Since this forum has become increasingly lax about politics, I'll jump in. Libertarians don't believe in income taxes (that's the US party line) BECAUSE they don't believe the government should operate social programs. Libertarians believe that the US federal government should be restrained to its constitutional duties, namely providing for the common defense and keeping law and order in the country. There's nothing in the constitution that says the federal government should help its people out with handouts. Case in point: during a very bad drought in the Midwest in the late 1800s where farmers were starving to death, President Grover Cleveland said he couldn't find anything in the constitution that required the federal government to help the victims out. THAT'S libertarianism.

It would everyone in America with a lot more freedom and a much greater percentage of their earnings (No income tax! No Social Security! No Medicare deductions!) at the cost of a compassionate government that provides a "safety net" for its citizens. I used to be a libertarian till I grew a heart

I strongly disagree with your views about social programs and the legalization of drugs. Sorry, but I don't trust society to help the needy of their own accord. And I strongly oppose drugs. Likewise, I don't think drug addicts or alcoholics should be tossed in jail when they break the law. Instead, there should be government run intensive rehab centers that people who break the law due to drug and alcohol use should go to for a full year at least.

 

[naoi deag se deag]

Originally posted by Wyldfire
I strongly disagree with your views about social programs and the legalization of drugs. Sorry, but I don't trust society to help the needy of their own accord. And I strongly oppose drugs. Likewise, I don't think drug addicts or alcoholics should be tossed in jail when they break the law. Instead, there should be government run intensive rehab centers that people who break the law due to drug and alcohol use should go to for a full year at least.

Read it again. I'm not a libertarian and I don't agree with their rosy view of human nature.

 

[tristan22]

I didn't think social programs were necessary prior to the Hurricane catastrophe (i believe in everyman for themself). But after seeing what will happen if government intervention doesn't occur and the helpless aren't taken care of(looting, murdering, sex crimes, and violence), i am all for it now!