"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Wayne Ross's book sets you back to afc land

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Reading Wayne Ross's complete guide to attracting women, Although some of it's useful there were parts that cried out afc!

Example:

1.
Bring her a present on the first date. She'll view your generosity as a sign of love, of caring, of giving. Try it. Next time you arrive to pick her up see how excited she is because you've brought her a box of candy, a card you thought was funny or some flowers.
Do the above and I guarantee you won't be sorry. You will be amply rewarded.

And his dangerling method, which could be great but it needs improvement i mean look at this!

2. I dated Barbara seven times before I even tried anything sexual at all (other than an occasional kiss). By that time Barbara was ready to attack me. She even asked me why I didn't find her attractive.

(in my opinion all girls aren't like this, if you completely cut sexual interest they'll move onto someone else)

Im new and confused but wayne ross seem's to give afc information in this book :S
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Dodgeball said:
2. I dated Barbara seven times before I even tried anything sexual at all (other than an occasional kiss). By that time Barbara was ready to attack me. She even asked me why I didn't find her attractive.

(in my opinion all girls aren't like this, if you completely cut sexual interest they'll move onto someone else)

Im new and confused but wayne ross seem's to give afc information in this book :S
There are some valid points to #2, but his example seems to be taken to the extreme.

Showing some restraint, while keeping the dates sexually charged can pay off in spades.

If you sleep with a girl on the first date, it can actually cause problems if you are interested in her for more than a one time bang.

However, if you are getting hot & heavy but are the one to pull back and say you should slow down you are going to amp her attraction for you. Caveat to that, it will ramp her attraction if you are someone she wants to date and your interactions with her are more relationship framed than ONS. If you have a ONS frame to your interaction and dont **** her, you kill the attraction.

If you are the one who stops it from going all the way on the first date, you are going to have a seriously horny girl on the second date and the sex will be much much better due to her trusting you and thus letting herself be more free with her sexual nature.

In my experience if I have sex on the first date, while in the relationship frame, it's not very good. The girl holds back. But with girls I've gotten very horny then slowed down with on the first date, they go wild on me when we have sex on the second. Not only do you get better sex, but you get much more of it since you took the time to build a bit of trust.
 

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The thing about #2 is that if the woman believes the man is just trying to be a friend or the man does not find her attractive...and ANOTHER man comes into her life (7 dates could be as little as 3 weeks, but at many as 7+ weeks), she might go with the other man.

And then what? Seven dates x $20 average (MINIMUM) per date = $140.00.
Now...what happens if she loses interest or put him in the friend zone? Then he has to START all over again.

I don't date unless I'm involved intimate or semi-intimate with the woman.
 

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Latinoman said:
And then what? Seven dates x $20 average (MINIMUM) per date = $140.00.
Now...what happens if she loses interest or put him in the friend zone? Then he has to START all over again.

Um don't pay.

I don't even pay for my gf very often. They have jobs; don't they?

My last two exgfs even paid for me a lot. Granted, one made more money than i...
 

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but seriously the first tip i mean, thats really shooting people down to afcness isnt it?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Dodgeball said:
but seriously the first tip i mean, thats really shooting people down to afcness isnt it?
Maybe the author is writing the book for very young people.

When I re-read those two examples it sounds like something you would do during your very first dating experiences at age like 14-16.

I'd imagine a girl going on her first date ever would be very pleased if you showed up with a teddy bear or something like that.

Then again, AFC is more an attitude than anything. A DJ could show up with a boquet of flowers and use it to his advantage.
 

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mrRuckus said:
Um don't pay.

I don't even pay for my gf very often. They have jobs; don't they?

My last two exgfs even paid for me a lot. Granted, one made more money than i...

Reading point #1 (where he advice for a GIFT) is reason enough for me to believe that HE encourage paying.

Personally, if I invite a woman to a date...I WILL pay. That's the way I am. Otherwise, I find it CHEAP. Of course, everything is within reason. No woman will take advantage of me.

BUT...I don't date women that I'm NOT already intimate with (or have at the very least kissed and touched). So, I already know I'm not wasting time and $.

Furthermore, I'm very lucky that I've been with women that have offered to pay (and have paid) and have cooked for me in the past.
 

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JC9 said:
Maybe the author is writing the book for very young people.

When I re-read those two examples it sounds like something you would do during your very first dating experiences at age like 14-16.

I'd imagine a girl going on her first date ever would be very pleased if you showed up with a teddy bear or something like that.

Then again, AFC is more an attitude than anything. A DJ could show up with a boquet of flowers and use it to his advantage.
I agree 100% with EVERYTHING you wrote...including the DJ showing up with a bouquet of flowers. It comes down to oportunity and understanding your "prey". ;)
 
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