warning from manager and security

[escaleraroyal]

Today I was at T&T supermarket, a Chinese store doing grocery shopping and sarging on the go. While I was talking to a set a fat man in his 40s and a fat kid in his early 20s approached me and told me they are the store manager and security and wanted to talk to me. I stepped away with them and he told me I was bothering the girl. He told me I was talking to a girl two times and I was touching her arm. The girl (Chinese) came to them to complain on me. The fat man warned me telling me there are cameras in the store and told me it's a "friendly reminder", which basically means they can escalate the situation. I lost my cool and started to argued with him. Then he tells me again it's a "friendly reminder" and they left.

NOTE:
If this kind of SIHT happens to you, you should just walk away. Leave your groceries and walk away. The security guys cannot do anything to you.
FICK, I cannot forget about this. It drilled deep in my brain.

 

[yougottaknow90]

Today I was at the supermarket doing grocery shopping and sarging on the go. While I was talking to a set a fat man in his 40s and a fat kid in his early 20s approached me and told me they are the store manager and security and wanted to talk to me. I stepped away with them and he told me I was bothering the girl. He told me I was talking to a girl two times and I was touching her arm. The girl came to them to complain on me. The fat man warned me telling me there are cameras in the store and told me it's a "friendly reminder", which basically means they can escalate the situation. I lost my cool and started to argued with him. Then he tells me again it's a "friendly reminder" and they left.

NOTE:
If this kind of **** happens to you, you should just walk away. Leave your groceries and walk away. The security guys cannot do anything to you.

sometimes i wonder how many of the guys on this site come off like this when they try picking up girls at the mall or whatever.

no one comes up to them to tell them they're being creepy.

then they go home and post about their digit conquest on pick up sites and sosuave.

anyways, i can see how this situation could deflate your balls. it's public humiliation. you gotta pick your targets wisely and in appropriate venues. don't blindly aggress after the woman by forcing kino and the like when she doesn't want it. that shyt is creepy. plain and simple. imagine how you would feel if you were a chick and had a random guy come up to you and try to initiate kino 5-10 mins after forcing you to meet him. if you're charming and young (<24) then maybe it could work if you can smile a lot, act witty, and work it in subtly. but most guys on this site fail to fulfill that criteria.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Well it's all BS because you never really know if the girl actually complained or the manager and security just saw you talking to a girl and are just c0ckblocking and player hating. That happens. So I agree about making a stand if you really didn't do anything that forward with any girls. Leave the stuff there and don't patronize a store with d!ckhead management.

Also it's messed up for a girl to run and complain to the management for a guy talking or hitting on them. A lot of them do that if I man talks to them that they're not attracted to. The girl should just brush it off or subtly turn the guy down. And we're told that women are just as competent as men haha.

That said, I don't believe in using kino much in daytime or to approach without an approach invitation. I would keep it very light, casual and brief and go off of invitation signals when opening at a grocery store.

 

[Igetit!]

Today I was at the supermarket doing grocery shopping and sarging on the go. While I was talking to a set a fat man in his 40s and a fat kid in his early 20s approached me and told me they are the store manager and security and wanted to talk to me. I stepped away with them and he told me I was bothering the girl. He told me I was talking to a girl two times and I was touching her arm. The girl came to them to complain on me. The fat man warned me telling me there are cameras in the store and told me it's a "friendly reminder", which basically means they can escalate the situation. I lost my cool and started to argued with him. Then he tells me again it's a "friendly reminder" and they left.

NOTE:
If this kind of **** happens to you, you should just walk away. Leave your groceries and walk away. The security guys cannot do anything to you.

It sucks to have security come out to you during your pickup attempt,but to me,this is more about the girl and the pickup not going right than security coming out and warning you.

If she went and complained about you,then obviously you didn't get any comfort going with her.

From the way you explained things,she must have left while the approach was still going on. She left,went off and complained,came back to the uncomfortable approach,then you picked up where you left off....creeping her out.

You said you started arguing with the manager/security. Over what? The chick went and complained,so they investigated her complaint.


They said you were touching the girl. Well were you? I mean you failed to create comfort in the girl.....just own up to it. The chick was at work minding her own business,then all of the sudden,some stranger comes in and starts touching her,so she goes and tells the manager. Chicks don't like confrontation,so that's how she handled it.


Does it suck? Well yeah. As deflating as having security come out to you was,the MAIN THING I got out of all that was a failure to make the girl feel comfortable.

 

[LiveFreeX]

Why are you touching random women in the supermarket? Kino is for LATER... fvck you guys are weird.

NEVER touch Chinese EVER... they have a strict culture against this sh1t. Same in my classes, apparently I put my hand on a kid's head once like 3 years ago and this kid went to the DOS and complained and went nuts... then she was terrified of me for the rest of the year. I mean they are timid and nerdy enough as it is. They really really have to trust you to touch you or let them get close, most Chinese guys here spend at least 1 or 2 months at an arm's length with other people around.

Ok next, Kino only later when you are out of the public eye. Its considered sluttery for a Chinese to been seen touching a random guy out in the open. My friend went to kiss his wife in public the other day and she gave him a facepalm... he's been married like 4 years and says that she goes nuts any time he tries to do that in public... mine is the same way, even though I grab her ass on occasion. The thing to do is MAKE THEM TOUCH YOU. You should never ever be the first one to touch, if a girl likes you, she'll hit you on the arm or look for some excuse to touch your hand or something. This is how girls act.... please DJs don't go around fondling random women, you sound like creepy fvckin perverts... I'm telling you, if you kino'd my wife in front of me, you'd either have a broken arm or you'd find yourself flying out the door.

Who gave you permission to touch these women? Fvck comfort... this 1st time meeting/comfort kino sounds like BS to me. The only women that would let you touch them like that would be slutty hoes, maybe Japs or Taiwanese.

 

[escaleraroyal]

Livefreex:
I don't know which country you live in but here in Canada light touching is OK. Like when people joke they hit your arms. That's what I did I think the problem is I approached her twice without knowing that set her off. I will have to be more careful next time. I still think touching the Chinese girls are ok. If someone joke and touch your wife you would broke his arm??? You have issues my friend. I bet you hit your wife. If we all from the forum are perverts. Wtf are you doing here? You sound like the fat manager who argued with me.

 

[LiveFreeX]

From Canada, living in China.

Light touching is NOT OK in Canada, it can be quickly construed as ASSAULT. If someone was joking and touched my wife's arm and wouldn't stop, he wouldn't have fingers to touch my wife with.

What you are doing is plain creepy and from your sh1tty English skills I can already tell you are obviously an immigrant or live somewhere in TO. Dude, you touch women at home, even a little, and you can end up in jail. Yes, I've been there already, I know the deal very well... it could be you brushed the person whilst walking by or you intentionally put your hands on them...doesn't really matter, if the woman feels a little threatened, she can call the 5-0 and have you in cuffs within 20 minutes. It's a double standard but pretty much whatever women say is LAW. Go to Chapters and pickup a CRIMINAL CODE, its all there.

When WOMEN joke they hit your arms... MEN don't do this. It is extremely dangerous dating western women, especially in Canada. If a woman at ANY TIME decides that you have raped her, even after you are married, you CAN quickly end up in jail. If a woman decides at any time she wants you out of the house, the police will come and put you in the back of the cruiser. If at any time a woman feels threatened by you, even if you are not doing anything, the police will come and grab you. Yes its that bad at home. I recommend NO ONE, talk to or associate with Canadian women until they know the full extent of the law. Once you have a criminal record in Canada, it's next to impossible to obtain employment or travel outside the borders.

If we all from the forum are perverts. Wtf are you doing here? You sound like the fat manager who argued with me.

Keeping forum pervs like you out of jail. You sound like a creepy n00b who doesn't know what he's doing.

 

[mv.89]

Livefreex:
I don't know which country you live in but here in Canada light touching is OK. Like when people joke they hit your arms. That's what I did I think the problem is I approached her twice without knowing that set her off. I will have to be more careful next time. I still think touching the Chinese girls are ok. If someone joke and touch your wife you would broke his arm??? You have issues my friend. I bet you hit your wife. If we all from the forum are perverts. Wtf are you doing here? You sound like the fat manager who argued with me.

Dude I'm from Canada too. Some of the posters are totally right. Bro culture varies by huge magnitude. Also I'll go on and assume that you ain't Asian.

If you were the same background then the story would've/could've been different but being white/black it's different. Same race is very low on threat level compared to different race.

Other advice given here is also right, you have not yet built rapport with the chick and started touching her? lol that will not take you anywhere.

Good for you , for not getting into a brawl with security guard though.

 

[escaleraroyal]

@LiveFreeX
My coworkers, friends hit me on the arm all the time while talking to me. I don't think that's creepy? Are you sure you are from Canada? and why are you in China? did you get kick out from Canada for touching girls?

 

[TheCWord]

sometimes i wonder how many of the guys on this site come off like this when they try picking up girls at the mall or whatever.

no one comes up to them to tell them they're being creepy.

then they go home and post about their digit conquest on pick up sites and sosuave.

This x1000000.

I'm sure there are a lot of cool guys on here that are magic with women.

I'm sure there are a lot of normal dudes on here who are learning and getting better every day (for full disclosure, I'd put myself in this category).

But I'm also sure there are a lot of creepy dudes on here who just don't get it.

If you fall into the creepy dude category, and you're wondering why you're coming off as creepy - especially when you're just doing what this site tells you - consider this golden SoSuave rule: Don't just indiscriminately take the tips on here and parrot back the lines and moves in real life. Not everything on here will be a good fit for you and when you just adopt anything and everything because it worked for some guy on here, it will come across as very unnatural - which can be misinterpreted as being creepy.

Anyway. Good luck. Stop touching girls so soon. Unless it's natural (there's that word again).

P.S. Sounds like the manager and security guard handled the situation very well. They weren't rude to you or trying to embarrass you, they were just protecting one of their patrons. Respect to that.

 

[TheCWord]

escaleroyal, livefreeX is actually correct in this situation. As a tall handsome white guy (and I'd like to emphasize handsome) who also lives in Canada and shops at the T & T supermarkets you speak of - not to mention as a white guy who has been practicing Chinese martial arts for many years - I can tell you that the Chinese community is a very closed community, moreso than even other east Asian groups such as the Japanese and Koreans.

Some of the Chinese restaurants and communities in Canada are virtual city states - they are very independent minded, and everything is written in Chinese and I'd guess that 90% of them don't even know how to say "hello" in English. They still cling very much to the traditions and cultural manifestations of the old country. I'm surprised you had the guts to even touch a Chinese girl in a T & T store I'd imagine this is very much for them as close to being assaulted or raped as they have ever come. I'm not surprised at all she reported you, just be glad the store manager and his sidekick didn't perform some kind of crazy black tiger kung fu on your ass. Stores and restaurants back home are often protected by security guards who are boxing experts, and I'm willing to bet a lot of their stores here are run the same way.

Let this be a lesson: don't be hitting on Asian chicks in T & T stores, these places are caught in some kind of time warp. Next time save your skills for girls at a regular shopping mall, like the Eaton Centre.

Well put, bradd. I'm also in Toronto and have been on a few dates with Chinese girls. Escalating physically with them is kind of like a Chinese puzzle (I-thank-you), it seems to take a little longer than with white girls and, to crack the puzzle, you have to strike at the exact right moment. If you miss even by a millisecond, it's Kung Fu Panda*.

*I don't even know what that means. I just wanted to make more Chinese jokes.

 

[LiveFreeX]

I've lived near Guangzhou, its a city of about the entire population of Canada. Its also very nice and super rich, so you were likely dealing with a millionairess.

Just so you guys know, there aren't ANY poor Chinese people in Canada. Pretty much everyone there is heir/heiress to a large fortune in their home land, they just hide it VERY WELL.

Only the most stuck up, princessy b1tches, escape to Canada/America. So you really aren't dating the locals, you are dating the elite's daughters. Even the nerdy girl in ugly clothes, studying hard at the Uni has at least 50g in her bank account, you aren't allowed in with less. Don't mess with Chinese people man, they can have your balls on toast. My brother in law, bless his heart, brought a Chinese long blade, corn shucker with him when he first met me. He just wanted to reinforce the Chinese: 'you broke it, now you bought it' policy in regards to his sister's relationship with a laowai.

You might think the Chinese are only good for chicken balls and soy sauce but the cities here are simply towering monstrosities. They have money pouring from their pockets, its insane... then you have the other half of the population who are piss poor and would cut your throat for a dollar. It's basically JUDGE DREDD meets Mad Max.

 

[YawataNoKami]

Although certain ethnic groups within United States rely on touch as a form of communication, the American culture, like Canadian, German, and English cultures, avoids touch . For instance, U.S. friends in a cafe touch each other on the average of twice an hour, but friends in France touch each other 110 times and Puerto Rican ( I am puertorican) friends an average of 180 times an hour . There are many reasons to explain why this enigma exists. Factors such as childhood experiences and gender influence Americans’ perception of touch. Furthermore, people’s attitudes toward touch permeate throughout other aspects of their lives, defining ‘appropriate behavior.

 

[zinc4]

Why are you touching random women in the supermarket? Kino is for LATER... fvck you guys are weird.

NEVER touch Chinese EVER... they have a strict culture against this sh1t. Same in my classes, apparently I put my hand on a kid's head once like 3 years ago and this kid went to the DOS and complained and went nuts... then she was terrified of me for the rest of the year. I mean they are timid and nerdy enough as it is. They really really have to trust you to touch you or let them get close, most Chinese guys here spend at least 1 or 2 months at an arm's length with other people around.

Ok next, Kino only later when you are out of the public eye. Its considered sluttery for a Chinese to been seen touching a random guy out in the open. My friend went to kiss his wife in public the other day and she gave him a facepalm... he's been married like 4 years and says that she goes nuts any time he tries to do that in public... mine is the same way, even though I grab her ass on occasion. The thing to do is MAKE THEM TOUCH YOU. You should never ever be the first one to touch, if a girl likes you, she'll hit you on the arm or look for some excuse to touch your hand or something. This is how girls act.... please DJs don't go around fondling random women, you sound like creepy fvckin perverts... I'm telling you, if you kino'd my wife in front of me, you'd either have a broken arm or you'd find yourself flying out the door.

Who gave you permission to touch these women? Fvck comfort... this 1st time meeting/comfort kino sounds like BS to me. The only women that would let you touch them like that would be slutty hoes, maybe Japs or Taiwanese.

You sound insecure from this post....I kino in public all the time and frequently with success....it isn't the OP's problem that Chinese people in general aren't confident or comfortable about such matters...i swear Chinese people are the most repressed people in the world besides maybe parts of the middle east....and if I met your wife, i would kino her ONLY if i suspected her to be single and she showed interest and reciprocated to light touch first....doesn't mean i would be trying to steal anyone's wife, that's just the nature of the beast...sometimes you just don't know...if she is a good woman, though, i think there would be no reason for a guy to want to kino her int he first place...meaning no flirtatious vibe on her part...

I have had guy's wives touching and kinoing me at bars and when i recipricate their husbands who i had no idea existed previously come over fro way over yonder from a group of guy friends and get all up in my face...aint my fault their women are hos and they shouldn't be out at a clubs or bars with them in the first place...not saying you and your wife are like that or anyhting...

it's only creepy if she ain't into you...the word creepy is bs anyways..there is escalating and that isn't....

 

[d!ckmojo]

. if you're charming and young (<24) then maybe it could work if you can smile a lot, act witty, and work it in subtly. but most guys on this site fail to fulfill that criteria.

This is some buuuul Shiiiiiate right here. This dude picks his own age, and then says that any one older than that isn't qualified to run day game, and that if they do they are creepy?!?

Lol what a f@gg0t

Lemme tell you something kid, when you get older, your presence INCREASES, you mastery INCREASES. Lol, its little immature foolish kids like you, like other sub-24 year old wannabes who come off as "Creepy" when they try to run day game.

Get some XP you and respect your fcuking elders, kid, or you'll take a long time to learn things the hard way, lol.

 

[zinc4]

I just don't even like the word creepy when used by women because it only describes a guy who is actually trying that she isn't attracted to...in the end all guys want is to sex the girl, date her or pump and dump her.....

Is the guy who wants to bang the girl who goes about it more passively any less creepy in actuality than the guy who is more aggressive and goes for it from the get go????

No...in fact, the passive more cautious seemingly nice guy may very well in fact be the bigger perv or creep....creepy is just a stupid term used by women to describe guys who try but the girls aren't into them.....just another example of why most women are sheepish and lame in general....only thing 99 percent of the good looking ones have of interest is their bodies and flaunt it by dressing sexy/slutty then when guys act accordingly instead of the women trying to actually better themselves into something more deeper and accomplished they scoff and say why are guys so creepy.....

You can bet your ass though it wouldn't be creepy to them if Brad Pitt or George Clooney approached and did quick kino...if you are attractive enough to them and smooth about it, you can kino quickly with success..

I kino often quickly because my time is valuable and some will say it comes off as creepy but then another portion will turn into my plates and become quite obsessed with me...it just all depends on how much the girl is into you...better to find out sooner than later IMO...

 

[foreverAFC]

lol @ PUA bullsht gone wrong

 

[zinc4]

I've lived near Guangzhou, its a city of about the entire population of Canada. Its also very nice and super rich, so you were likely dealing with a millionairess.

Just so you guys know, there aren't ANY poor Chinese people in Canada. Pretty much everyone there is heir/heiress to a large fortune in their home land, they just hide it VERY WELL.

Only the most stuck up, princessy b1tches, escape to Canada/America. So you really aren't dating the locals, you are dating the elite's daughters. Even the nerdy girl in ugly clothes, studying hard at the Uni has at least 50g in her bank account, you aren't allowed in with less. Don't mess with Chinese people man, they can have your balls on toast. My brother in law, bless his heart, brought a Chinese long blade, corn shucker with him when he first met me. He just wanted to reinforce the Chinese: 'you broke it, now you bought it' policy in regards to his sister's relationship with a laowai.

You might think the Chinese are only good for chicken balls and soy sauce but the cities here are simply towering monstrosities. They have money pouring from their pockets, its insane... then you have the other half of the population who are piss poor and would cut your throat for a dollar. It's basically JUDGE DREDD meets Mad Max.

Screw your Chinese brother in law...all your defending them against all of their crap...i am sure there are a lot of great Chinnese and Taiwanese people...my kungfu instructor is one of them....but most of the ones i meet are polite to your face but snitching massively insecure racist bastards behind your back types...not to mention master ****blockers...and they would rather run you over on the street than just wait an extra half second while you get out of their way crossing the street....don't kid yourself, none of them approve of you being married to a local girl no matter what they say to your face...they can't get over the whole race issue to save their lives...I know Taiwan is technically not China but from what i have seen they are in general, the most insecure race of people i have ever come across besides perhaps Koreans.....