war for dummies, 21st edition

[bbestar]

war made easy

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Why blame God for all the suffering and problems when ultimately it is man's fault, my fault and your fault. -bbestar, 4 years old

 

[Last Man Standing]

The BIG Matrix lie is to blame religion for wars - in fact it is the exact opposite - it is the Godless who are the ones who commit mass murderer genocides. Saying that you are christian with your mouth means nothing!

Look at all the totalitarian governments of the world - all of them reject a religious order to control society - including America!!!

 

[BoredDude]

The BIG Matrix lie is to blame religion for wars - in fact it is the exact opposite - it is the Godless who are the ones who commit mass murderer genocides. Saying that you are christian with your mouth means nothing!

Look at all the totalitarian governments of the world - all of them reject a religious order to control society - including America!!!

No.

I'm sorry, but this is life and I don't see this changing anytime soon. Religion really has nothing to do with peace, it fuels most wars, well it used to, economics is taking over now.

 

[PRMoon]

The BIG Matrix lie is to blame religion for wars - in fact it is the exact opposite - it is the Godless who are the ones who commit mass murderer genocides. Saying that you are christian with your mouth means nothing!

Look at all the totalitarian governments of the world - all of them reject a religious order to control society - including America!!!

Religion was the "Totalitarion goverment" of the world for several hundred years. You couldn't do anything unless the vatican willed it. The crusades wasn't exactly brunch with neighbors either.

War is just a societal byproduct of mans intellegance. Nothing new here.

 

[Obsidian]

If you're going to blame the world's problems on religion, you may as well blame war on philosophy, ideology, or simply human thought. The notion is just totally nonsensical.

How about these arguments:
1. Money is the cause of war -- So we should get rid of wealth.
2. Guns are the source of war and should be prohibited.
3. Government is the source of war. All government is therefore evil, and humans should live in anarchy.

Perhaps now you see the idiocy of these types of claims. War is simply violence. War itself is not evil; it is morally neutral. There are evil wars and righteous wars (indeed, most wars have one nation who is in the right and one who is in the wrong). Violence is merely a fact of life. The only way to abolish war would be to institute worldwide totalitarianism -- which would simultaneously enslave mankind. So war is inevitable. Get used to it.

 

[Last Man Standing]

Bored - PR Moon - Here is the problem --- you are viewing the world with european eyes -- 92% of the world is not european - I suggest you start seeing reality for what it is!

 

[PRMoon]

If you're going to blame the world's problems on religion, you may as well blame war on philosophy, ideology, or simply human thought. The notion is just totally nonsensical.

How about these arguments:
1. Money is the cause of war -- So we should get rid of wealth.
2. Guns are the source of war and should be prohibited.
3. Government is the source of war. All government is therefore evil, and humans should live in anarchy.

Perhaps now you see the idiocy of these types of claims. War is simply violence. War itself is not evil; it is morally neutral. There are evil wars and righteous wars (indeed, most wars have one nation who is in the right and one who is in the wrong). Violence is merely a fact of life. The only way to abolish war would be to institute worldwide totalitarianism -- which would simultaneously enslave mankind. So war is inevitable. Get used to it.

huh?

 

[Desert Fox]

Religion is a plague.

Religion is just another word for ignorance, but if it's called religion it makes you cool.

Religion was started to control the masses of dumb people (read some books on this: How Chiefs Came to Power). Dumb people were controlled by fear of a God who could smite your a55. Christianity is a cult of death that worships death and scares you into "living."

I'm so happy I'm not a religious nut. And by nut I mean all of you, not just the fanatics that blow up cars.

Religious people should be classified as mentally insane. Funny how the line between religion and psycopath and so close. Talking to oneself. Expecting something different when doing the same thing over and over. Belief without proof. All signs of mental illness.

LMS is evidence of all this. He is a nut. Just look at his writings and even his sig. What a load of BS. You have little to no power in this world son.

 

[PRMoon]

Religion is a plague.

Religion is just another word for ignorance, but if it's called religion it makes you cool.

Religion was started to control the masses of dumb people (read some books on this: How Chiefs Came to Power). Dumb people were controlled by fear of a God who could smite your a55. Christianity is a cult of death that worships death and scares you into "living."

I'm so happy I'm not a religious nut. And by nut I mean all of you, not just the fanatics that blow up cars.

Religious people should be classified as mentally insane. Funny how the line between religion and psycopath and so close. Talking to oneself. Expecting something different when doing the same thing over and over. Belief without proof. All signs of mental illness.

LMS is evidence of all this. He is a nut. Just look at his writings and even his sig. What a load of BS. You have little to no power in this world son.

It's natrual for people to follow things on blind faith. Even "factual proof" can be altered or spun to "preach" an ideal for some one elses agenda. The cave men in 2001 a space oddessy defeated the other tribe because they saw one cave man as a great leader who can thard their enemeys with his power and they followed. The point is not that they believed but that they were seperated from others who were different and that pressance had to be destroyed.

Death and killing has been engrained in mans DNA for millions of years. So however has the notion of coopertaive living. As our numbers swell to larger and larger parts of the planet, we never really lost those traits so the wars have gotten bigger and bigger.

Just people being people.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Lets get down to brass tacks here, religion is NOT the cause of war, it's the rationale for war. The sad fact is that all war (in fact all human conflict really) is fought for the same reason; securing resources. One tribe fights another to secure hunting territory, the Norsemen pillage and loot villages, the Crusaders plunder the riches of the Moors, the south succeeds from the union to keep their slaves and economy, and Cheney wants his oil from Iraq.

But you can't get enough people to put themselves in front of a bullet just for resources so they need a greater cause. That's where religion comes in, that's where pride comes in, that's where nationalism, patriotism, and a sense of duty (however well founded or not) comes in to make war seem necessary.

People's need to believe is simply a mechanism of war, not the reason for it.

Law 27: Play on People's Need to Believe to Create a Cultlike Following
People have an overwhelming desire to believe in something. Become the focal point of such desire by offering them a cause, a new faith to follow. Keep your words vague but full of promise; emphasize enthusiasm over rationality and clear thinking. Give your new disciples rituals to perform, ask them to make sacrifices on your behalf. In the absence of organized religion and grand causes, your new belief system will bring you untold power.

 

[Obsidian]

War itself doesn't really boost the economy. That's a myth. Or if it does boost the economy, it does so by drastically increasing the national debt. The only way war would boost the economy is if you conquered a really rich nation and plundered its resources.

 

[Last Man Standing]

War itself is not evil; it is morally neutral. There are evil wars and righteous wars (indeed, most wars have one nation who is in the right and one who is in the wrong).

Yes, all it takes is one party - the other will naturally defend itself!

Violence is merely a fact of life. The only way to abolish war would be to institute worldwide totalitarianism -- which would simultaneously enslave mankind. So war is inevitable. Get used to it.

911 was done for this exact reason - we are on our way - "cannot buy or sell without the permission of the wicked" - can anyone say "chip me"!! Actually this is already done at the macro level - it's called sanctions!

Billions will die

Religion was started to control the masses of dumb people (read some books on this: How Chiefs Came to Power). Dumb people were controlled by fear of a God who could smite your a55.

You are a fool - people always have been controlled through the fear of violence - by the fanatic nazi minds such as yours!!! You are a demon!!

Belief without proof. All signs of mental illness.

Yes, darwin fanatics are not mentally well!

You are obviously a homo and have nothing of value to add to this forum - go to a faggot site where you belong!!


Religion has never been the rationale for war!!! All wars have an agenda and a rationale - but no one ever risked their life to make someone else believe in God!! This is a matrix myth!!

War hurts the economy and does not help it!! It puts resources towards death and takes away from things of life!!! War only prolongs economic collapse - which is coming to America! Printing a lot of paper is not wealth - the collapse is imminent!

 

[PRMoon]

War itself doesn't really boost the economy. That's a myth. Or if it does boost the economy, it does so by drastically increasing the national debt. The only way war would boost the economy is if you conquered a really rich nation and plundered its resources.

On the contuary, war done right actually makes an empire. Alexaders empire, The Persian Empire, The Romans, The Greeks etc etc all fueled by the war machine. If you take from everyone you fund your economy by people that weren't yours.

Less we forget, war also spurns technological inovation leading to the advancement of the homeland of those at the fore front. Most of the things that we use now, even the computer you are using to view and respond to this forum were an ofspring of war time technological innovation.

Unfortunately the advancement of humanity has always been born of the blood shed. Again I cite 2001... The cavemen who won the conflict used stone clubs, a tool which had never been seen at the time was something un heard of by the era's people. But it gave the weilders a distinct advantage which they exploited. From that, they made spears and arrows to hunt more effectively and forwith the evolution of man.

It's "the natrual order of things" a saying commonly used by certian people around here...kinda dumbed down so everyone gets the picture but you get what I'm saying none the less.

 

[Obsidian]

War hurts the economy and does not help it!! It puts resources towards death and takes away from things of life!!! War only prolongs economic collapse . . . . Printing a lot of paper is not wealth - the collapse is imminent!

correct

If you take from everyone you fund your economy by people that weren't yours.

That's what I was getting at with the plunder idea. But it's not actually the war that helps; it's the oppressive taxation/slavery of the conquered subjects. The modern myth, on the other hand, states that war "boosts" the economy by pumping government money into industry. That argument is false.

Less we forget, war also spurns technological inovation leading to the advancement of the homeland of those at the fore front. Most of the things that we use now, even the computer you are using to view and respond to this forum were an ofspring of war time technological innovation.

Hah, you sound like the Shadows in Babylon 5. I actually think that's a fairly weak argument. People probably would've come up with computers and stuff for civilian purposes even if there were no war. But I guess there's no way to prove it one way or the other.

 

[Desert Fox]

You are obviously a homo and have nothing of value to add to this forum - go to a faggot site where you belong!!

Dude, where did you get homo and fag out of all of what I said?

Anyways, I'll take your word, but only because you're the expert on homosexuals, how to dress like one, how to be one, how to fvck men's *******s, how to be a flagrant homo on a pick up site where there's all guys so you can get off on that.

Pervert. hahaha

 

[PRMoon]

correct




That's what I was getting at with the plunder idea. But it's not actually the war that helps; it's the oppressive taxation/slavery of the conquered subjects. The modern myth, on the other hand, states that war "boosts" the economy by pumping government money into industry. That argument is false.




Hah, you sound like the Shadows in Babylon 5. I actually think that's a fairly weak argument. People probably would've come up with computers and stuff for civilian purposes even if there were no war. But I guess there's no way to prove it one way or the other.

Wut ever! War dominates all.

Might makes right..The man with the big stick makes the rules...Man who lives in glass house gets beat by man with rocks...you get the picture.

That's just how it is.

 

[bbestar]

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Attack at Gulf of tonkin... never happend. -mcnamara