VSSM: Exercise 1.2

[Vronski]

This is a thread for Vronski's Speed Seduction Manuals Exercise 1.2

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_-=/Comrade Vronski\=-_

 

[Awkward]

This was a convo I had with a friend online just to test this stuff. I may be a little too advanced for this lesson but what tha hell.

This girl was feeling used by guys and she wanted to find a person that would love her for the person she was, to find a person that she could open up for. I have translated this from another language so it may not be as fluid as it was from the beggining.

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Me: How surprised would you be to find a guy that you... really... felt attached to. He understood what you are looking for and that the hard fasade you display is not really you, that he sees you for the person you are... and when you are with him, you can feel that you are completely safe
and that you have the fullest confidence to him. And yet he is just a... very... exciting person... and you can maybe imagine yourself, say three months from now, and he still is that mystical person, making you feeling good whenever he is around... and then you look back to today as being the start of this wonderfull relationship. And then maybe realizing that this guy is really good for you... now.. with me.. I would really like to meet such a person as this.. wouldn't it be wonderfull?

Her: Yeeh, that is my little fairytale-dream since I was a little girl.

Me: Yeeh, isn't it strange how one can feel this strong connection to someone. A guy that is so perfect that he makes you wonder if it really can be true, is it a fairytale? Can a person be this wonderfull? His image will always pop up in one's imagination at the strangest of places, like when you are eating, one the phone, or perhaps when you are about to go to sleep and his image just.. appear.. in that head... I wonder... if you had this feeling, would you compell to act on it, or will you just forget about him and then thinking about him afterwards and blame yourself for what you might have missed in that person?
me... I think that is a hard decision.

Her: Of course I would act on it. I miss love so much, when you describe it to me like that. I only have a hard time trusting guys, I have been hurt so many times. I am afraid to open up myself to others.

Me: Mm... so wouldn't it be great to... open up for that person, and think to yourself "Now I have found my way home."... feel all the barriers melt away when you crawl up in his arms... and feel all the worries go away... when his arms surround you. Feel that security that follows, and that dream as you perhaps had as a little girl, to find that guy that were meant for you. To live in a dream without wakening up. That would be really great don't you think?

Her: I know what you mean, feel that rush of excitement going through the body "this is right" when one touch him.

Me: So as you experience that feeling, do you think that you would act on it if you would feel it.

Her: Definatly!There would be no doubt.

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--- Awkward

 

[Vronski]

That's nice job Awkward. I see some good techniques in here.

I think you are really pushing it towards the friend zone. You program her for attraction and platonic love. I would've shifted the convo towards more sexual stuff.

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_-=/Comrade Vronski\=-_

 

[Awkward]

Thanks Vronski.

Well, actually you are right, I didn't see it that way. To be honest, she is my friend and I really don't want to hurt her again, she lives a long way from me, and if we in some devine way should meet than I don't want to use her and discard her like everyone else. I mean, look at the poor girl, she's afraid of guys, afraid of her emotions. It wouldn't be right, and don't call me an AFC for that, I have a morality to follow. And this is below it.

I will test some "friend" patterns a little, and see what happens.

I will also do this exercise in a chatroom and see what happens. And you have a really great day.

--- Awkward

 

[Lorenzo]

Its gonna take alot of ball-busting to be able to formulate stuff like this on the spot...

 

[Awkward]

Yeeh it certainly does. I have tried it a few times in the real life, and it is hard to start talk like this. But when you have started it just flow out from your mouth. Incredible easy. It's all in the brain.

The first time I talked like this the girl looked at me as I was some kind of marsian, as they sat, SS gives strong results

--- Awkward

 

[XANEUS]

Ok... here it is in all its splendor: I would have gone further, but it was really getting late, and I really don't like super-christian people anyway.

Oh, and PLEASE CRITIQUE IT!!!!!!!!!!

me: I love your quotes... how old are you?
her: 20
her: and thanks ever so
her: you have no quotes
me: We aim to please...
me: I have lots of quotes... they're just not in my profile.
her: alrightyroo, my dear schizo
her:
her: where are they?
me: I would have guessed older than 20... you seemed so mature until about 5 seconds ago...
me: give me a topic...
me: I'll give you a quote... or prove my hubris
her: heh
her: are you trying to insult my 20 year old intelligence?
her: <raises eyebrow>
her:
me: I sure hope not 'cause I'm 20 too.
me: are you in college?
her: score. i hear the view is nice from here
her: yes indeedy
me: so you're putting off your studies as well?
her: no way
her: i'm a junior.
her: but i'm getting burned out because i haven't had a real vacation in about 3 years
me: where would you go if you could have your ideal vacation?

her: hmm
her: tricky
her: my heart will always love britain
me: have you been?
me: or do you just imagine what it would be like to go?
her: i've been, i have family there
her: i'm a very lucky girl
me: so tell me about Britain...
me: what did you like to do there? How did you feel when you were there?
her: my favorite thing:
her: the poppies.
her: poppies are my favorite flower
her: and they have absolute FIELDS of them
her: in the cotswolds
her: i would love to go there again
me: When you think of the poppies... how do you imagine them? Do you first... picture how beautiful they are? or do you... imagine that intoxicating fragrance? or do you just ... feel how nice it was to be in those fields?
her: i just think of how many there are. thousands. the color is gorgeous
her: where'd you go?
me: If you were to imagine yourself there now... staring in awe at the thousands upon thousands of poppies in full bloom, taking in their radiant colors, do you think you'd... feel very relaxed and comfortable...
me: i'm here...

her: what are you getting at?
her: lol
me: you haven't been on vacation but you said you'd like to... I was just trying to give you sort of a virtual vacation... not the real thing... I know, but you should try it sometime
me: "Man doth live in the mind" you know.
-Shakespeare
her: awww. you made me smile
her: i'm actually taking the plays of shakespeare right now
me: really... so you're well read and british... hmm I guess I'll have to act more cultured...
me: Which play do you like best?
her: lol
her: you don't have to act more cultured. you're fine
her: king lear
her: my fav
me: I know... I get that (you're fine) from girls all the time... it's just you'd have no way of knowing that...
me: why king lear?
her: well! expand on the fine thing.
her: because i love edmund. he's SO bad, but he's my favorite bad guy
her: and it can be read as tragedy or comedy
me: I always root for the villian
me: I'd love to expand on the fine thing... but I really don't like to brag...
her: lol
her: i see. how humble you are, indeed
her:
her: he's just so cunning and smart
her: and everyone else is just so freaking stupid
her: of course, i've only read one comedy, so i might like one of those as well
me: have you read othello?
her: we're studying it now
her: it's also enjoyable
her: but i hate iago so much
her: i can't even like his brilliance
me: you really admire intelligence, don't you?
her: i do. but i admire passion more
me: Really... what makes you feel passionately?
me: What do you get really excited about?
her: Jesus
her: words
her: pictures
her: i'm anti-apathy
me: So... how can you tell if someone is a passionate person? Or... you can feel very passionate about this person? How do you decide that... this person really fascinates me...?
her: by how they live their life and by how ardently they desire to live their beliefs
me: And how do you feel when... you've met a man of such deep conviction... and ... this is someone you can really admire? Do you feel like you really have something in common with this person?
her: i feel a deep respect for them, and i think it's a possibility that there might be...good conversation.
her: providing they want to give me the time of dayu
her: day
me: have you ever listened to someone's words, and had so much respect for the person, and for what ... this person is saying ... that you begin to ... really think about this person as someone you could admire for a long time?

me: sorry... I can only type so fast before the keyboard starts smoking
her: heh. definitely, but the admiration would only stay in tact as long as we could keep accountable and just know what's going on in each other's lives. life is all about relationships, and valiant, hard working people make the best models.
her: computer problems?
me: Really... what would constitute a good relationship for you? What qualities would a guy have to have?
her: my main thing is that he loves Jesus above all else. he wouldn't have to be some super christian or anything like that, because that's really very rare. just someone who had the heart and who was willing to talk and learn and grow and just live his life for Jesus.
me: How would being in a relationship with someone so pious and passionately dedicated make you feel? How would you know ... you've found such a person?
her: they don't have to be that pious. "you will know them by the fruit they bear"
her: if you talk to someone for ten minutes or more and you can watch them, you will know if it's true or not
me: if it's true... their actions?... or your feelings?
her: if their actions and talk are sincere, you'll know by seeing what kind of life they live
me: I absolutely agree with you... and I'd love to talk with you some more... but I really have to go now... But you seem like a really sweet girl, so feel free to IM me some time.. ok?
her: where are you going with this?
her: alright
me: I'll talk to you later>?
her: sure. will you actually talk to me if i im you?
me: I guess you'll just have to try it and see if my actions are consistent with my words
her: touche

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and by the way... forget my little shakespeare quote... he never said it as far as I know... that's original XANEUS... I just wouldn't want one of you to misquote and look silly.

 

[XANEUS]

Double Post...

[This message has been edited by XANEUS (edited 11-18-2002).]

 

[Awkward]

Well, good post XANEUS.

First of all, that girl sounds fukked up, don't promise anything that you are not going to live up to.

me: If you were to imagine yourself there now... staring in awe at the thousands upon thousands of poppies in full bloom, taking in their radiant colors, do you think you'd... feel very relaxed and comfortable...
me: i'm here...

her: what are you getting at?
her: lol

The first "If you were to imagine... blah blah..." seem a little wierd and unnatural, you need more rapport before you start with this, or use a softener. You sound like a madman high on a vacuum-cleaner. She even laughs.

But that is good, the more humour the more direct you can be, haha

I have even said this to a girl with humour just to demonstrate:

"So what are you thinking about."
"*with a silly voice* O, nothing special, just figuring out how I am going to have mindblowing sex with you tonight. But I would never tell you that I am thinking of that, that is for sure. aww...*very dumb look*"
And she laughed!

The way you talk to her, it seem like a cross-examin more than a convo. You should take it a little slower and don't rush to get as much stuff into the convo as possible. Do as we do in Ninjutsu, let the techniques flow into eachother. You are however very good at noticing what she belives in, perhaps you should do little more eliciting values when you talk to her, to establish rapport. Another thing is that you adapt the techniques after what she tells you. And that is good.

A tip... the next time you meet a chick like this... then... run for the hills!!!

--- Awkward

[This message has been edited by Awkward (edited 11-18-2002).]

 

[gekkoca]

Good try...
Keep up the practice.
Dont kiss her A@# so much next time.
Get her to talk about god or Jesus....
Let her get Doggie bowl eyes ...Maybe get her to go down real deep here and connect to you now with me I feel that having a spiritual connection can bring you to a sense of feeling safe like a warm blanket wrapped around your soul.To me there is nothing that cumms close to this feeling with me Its so incredible...
LOL...LOL...

 

[Vronski]

Good post Xaneus. Good try.

her: alrightyroo, my dear schizo
her:
her: where are they?
me: I would have guessed older than 20... you seemed so mature until about 5 seconds ago...
me: give me a topic...
me: I'll give you a quote... or prove my hubris
her: heh
her: are you trying to insult my 20 year old intelligence?
her: <raises eyebrow>
her:
me: I sure hope not 'cause I'm 20 too.
me: are you in college?
her: score. i hear the view is nice from here
her: yes indeedy
me: so you're putting off your studies as well?
her: no way
her: i'm a junior.
her: but i'm getting burned out because i haven't had a real vacation in about 3 years
me: where would you go if you could have your ideal vacation?
her: hmm
her: tricky
her: my heart will always love britain
me: have you been?
me: or do you just imagine what it would be like to go?
her: i've been, i have family there
her: i'm a very lucky girl
me: so tell me about Britain...
me: what did you like to do there? How did you feel when you were there?
Dont overwhelm her with questions. One at a time. Slowly, but continuosly extracting information:
what did you like to do there?
Oh, blah blah blah
How did you feel when you blah blah blah?
Oh, I see/feel/sense + list of her values
her: my favorite thing:
her: the poppies.
her: poppies are my favorite flower
her: and they have absolute FIELDS of them
her: in the cotswolds
her: i would love to go there again
me: When you think of the poppies... how do you imagine them? Do you first... picture how beautiful they are? or do you... imagine that intoxicating fragrance? or do you just ... feel how nice it was to be in those fields?
That's not a right question. You are describing it in too much detail. Always stay vague. She does not necessarily value the intoxicating fragrance or how beautiful they are. Maybe its connected to her BF, or some childhood memories. By describing in too much detail, she falls out of hypnosis.
her: i just think of how many there are. thousands. the color is gorgeous
her: where'd you go?
me: If you were to imagine yourself there now... staring in awe at the thousands upon thousands of poppies in full bloom, taking in their radiant colors, do you think you'd... feel very relaxed and comfortable...
me: i'm here...
Again, you're trying to push a specific feeling down her throat. She may not necessarily value radiant colors, nor she may have been there at their full bloom. Specific setails make her snap out of her state. At this point you should be finding out what she likes to feel.
So how/what do you feel when you are there???

And she will answer what she feels. When you are there is important, because it allows her to picture the environment she enjoys being in without you trying to guess it. She recreates it with the tinies details, which are important to her[/b] Maybe she liked the butterfies, the birds or something else. You will never guess what she likes, therefore the only way is to let her re-create it herself. And then she will tell you how she feels.
her: what are you getting at?
her: lol
me: you haven't been on vacation but you said you'd like to... I was just trying to give you sort of a virtual vacation... not the real thing... I know, but you should try it sometime
Why do u tell her that you're manipulating her???
me: "Man doth live in the mind" you know.
-Shakespeare
her: awww. you made me smile
her: i'm actually taking the plays of shakespeare right now
me: really... so you're well read and british... hmm I guess I'll have to act more cultured...
me: Which play do you like best?
her: lol
her: you don't have to act more cultured. you're fine
her: king lear
her: my fav
me: I know... I get that (you're fine) from girls all the time... it's just you'd have no way of knowing that...
me: why king lear?
her: well! expand on the fine thing.
her: because i love edmund. he's SO bad, but he's my favorite bad guy
her: and it can be read as tragedy or comedy
me: I always root for the villian
me: I'd love to expand on the fine thing... but I really don't like to brag...
her: lol
her: i see. how humble you are, indeed
her:
her: he's just so cunning and smart
her: and everyone else is just so freaking stupid
her: of course, i've only read one comedy, so i might like one of those as well
me: have you read othello?
her: we're studying it now
her: it's also enjoyable
her: but i hate iago so much
her: i can't even like his brilliance
me: you really admire intelligence, don't you?
Now she associates you with plays, books and intelligence.
her: i do. but i admire passion more
me: Really... what makes you feel passionately?
me: What do you get really excited about?
her: Jesus
roflmao You're so dirty. What part of jesus excites you most?? (shift to sexual stuff)
her: words
What kind of words? Pictures?
her: pictures
her: i'm anti-apathy
me: So... how can you tell if someone is a passionate person? Or... you can feel very passionate about this person? How do you decide that... this person really fascinates me...?
What do YOU FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT? is the question. It makes her think and stimulate herseld into feeling passion.
her: by how they live their life and by how ardently they desire to live their beliefs
me: And how do you feel when... you've met a man of such deep conviction... and ... this is someone you can really admire? Do you feel like you really have something in common with this person?
her: i feel a deep respect for them, and i think it's a possibility that there might be...good conversation.
her: providing they want to give me the time of dayu
her: day
me: have you ever listened to someone's words, and had so much respect for the person, and for what ... this person is saying ... that you begin to ... really think about this person as someone you could admire for a long time?
You kinda jump from topic to topic.
me: sorry... I can only type so fast before the keyboard starts smoking
her: heh. definitely, but the admiration would only stay in tact as long as we could keep accountable and just know what's going on in each other's lives. life is all about relationships, and valiant, hard working people make the best models.
her: computer problems?
me: Really... what would constitute a good relationship for you? What qualities would a guy have to have?
her: my main thing is that he loves Jesus above all else. he wouldn't have to be some super christian or anything like that, because that's really very rare. just someone who had the heart and who was willing to talk and learn and grow and just live his life for Jesus.
Ewww.. I dont wanna elicit any values here.
me: How would being in a relationship with someone so pious and passionately dedicated make you feel? How would you know ... you've found such a person?
One question at a time.
her: they don't have to be that pious. "you will know them by the fruit they bear"
her: if you talk to someone for ten minutes or more and you can watch them, you will know if it's true or not
me: if it's true... their actions?... or your feelings?
You dont do anything by this question.
Bye bye part:
her: if their actions and talk are sincere, you'll know by seeing what kind of life they live
me: I absolutely agree with you... and I'd love to talk with you some more... but I really have to go now... But you seem like a really sweet girl, so feel free to IM me some time.. ok?
her: where are you going with this?
her: alright
me: I'll talk to you later>?
her: sure. will you actually talk to me if i im you?
me: I guess you'll just have to try it and see if my actions are consistent with my words
her: touche


Ok, you are being too specific. Be vague and let her fill in the parts she wants by herself. You will never guess the details.

Ask one question at a time and make the next question follow up the previous. This will make a smooth convo.

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[XANEUS]

Thanks for the feedback vronski... I'll try to keep it simple and vague next time, and see how this works...

one specific question though... I know I shouldn't "tell her I'm manipulating her," but how SHOULD I respond when she says something like "where are you going with this?"

 

[Vronski]

where are you going with this??

Just curious. I am a very curious person. For some reason I just have to FIND OUT WHO'S SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU. Once YOU GET TO KNOW ME, you will SEE THIS AS A NATURAL PART OF ME. Remember the time when you were REALLY INTERESTED IN A PERSON. Didn't it feel GREAT AND WONDERFUL INSIDE, so you FEEL THIS INCREDIBLE CONNECTION FLOWING BETWEEN YOU.

But if you prepare her and establish some trust, she wont ask this question.

Cheers

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[XANEUS]

Thanks vronski... here's attempt #2... I think I flowed a little better this time... mostly because I was using basically a canned pattern... PLEASE PICK IT APART

Oh, one other thing... I need to choose my conversation partner a little better next time... I read this person's profile, but I didn't look at their pictures... turns out it was a GUY who just sounded like a girl... Oh well... it looks like SS works pretty well on guys too. I got a nice surprise at the end though... I use the name "her" loosly

her: hehe
XANEUS: I try...
her: how are you?
her: why no profile?
XANEUS: absolutely incredible, magnificent, wonderful, great, spectacular, superior, and any other superlative you can imagine. You?
XANEUS: I don't want people to pre-judge me... meeting me is so much more fun
her: ahhhh...I see
her: I like to get it all out in the open up front.....well, most of it anyway
XANEUS: Oh... so I already know everything about you huh? Well, I guess I don't need to waste any more time talking to you then...
her: ouch.......touche
XANEUS: Are you a cynic or a romantic? I have an intuition... but only you can say for sure...
her: I'm a romantic
XANEUS: I knew it...
XANEUS: so do you dream about the future?
her: and how did you come to this well educated conclusion?
her: all the time
XANEUS: What can I say? I'm a genius...
XANEUS: What do you dream about?
her: where I'll be in 10 years
her: 5 years
her: somewhere down the road at least
XANEUS: Do I hear one year? Six months? ... going, going gone...
XANEUS: so where do you see yourself in 5 years?
her: depends, I've actually dreamt about 3 days in the future
her: VP of a major retail corporation
XANEUS: That's quite a goal... and I'd love to talk about it, but right now I'm intrigued by the whole 3 day thing... Tell me about it...
her: ok Dr. Frued......well, I dreamt once that I was going to get into a car accident three days later
XANEUS: and...
XANEUS: did you make out okay?
her: yeah, I didn't leave the house that day
XANEUS: So you really trust your feelings then?
her: well, I usually have pretty good premonitions, I have a habit of knowing certain things are going to happen
XANEUS: Have you ever had a premonition about a person?
her: well, I knew my grandfather was going to die
XANEUS: Was he sick?
her: yes, but I knew even before he got sick
XANEUS: how?
her: well, I had a dream once when i was 20 that he died, and there were a bunch of people at his funeral....including a girl that I didnt know
XANEUS: intriguing... who was the girl?
her: she is now my best friend.....she doesn't look exactly like the girl in my dream, but everything else about it was the same
XANEUS: wow!!! that is amazing! Do you have these premonitions about people often?
her: not often...maybe once every couple months....the last one I had was probably a few months ago
XANEUS: That reminds me of my friend claire... she has premonitions about people too, but usually not until she meets them... but when she meets them, she seems to really know them immediately...
XANEUS: The other day, she was telling me about when she met her husband... would you like to hear the story?
her: I'm the opposite.....I've dreamt about people that I've never seen before, then like 3 months later, I'll meet them
her: sure
XANEUS: Well... she sat down and started talking to this man... and almost immediately, she ... began to ... feel very fascinated by this person...
XANEUS: and as she listened to this man's words, she began to ... hear this man in a whole new way...
XANEUS: it was like she could... feel these words wrap themselves around you like a warm blanket...
XANEUS: and just ... feel totally relaxed...
XANEUS: and as she would ... notice this... the rest of the world seemed to fade away...
XANEUS: like ... it is only you and this man... in the entire world
XANEUS: and as she noticed this she found that she could ... picture a time in the future... six months or a year down the road...
XANEUS: when she was still with this man
XANEUS: having the most amazing time... and feeling totally fulfilled...
XANEUS: and as she would ... notice this... she would .... look back on this moment .... as having been the beginning
her: That is one of the best stories I've ever heard
XANEUS: She found that as she would ... become aware of this... she began to notice other things as well... like the rythm of her breathing... the touch of her clothes on her skin
XANEUS: her own heart beat...
XANEUS: and she found she could ... feel an incredible connection with this person...
XANEUS: the connection was like a heat that overwhelmed her... in the most exciting and exhilarating way possible
XANEUS: she would ... feel this heat ... deep inside you... and the more she felt, the more she longed to feel...
XANEUS: and as she continued to talk with this man, the heat began to spread through her body...
XANEUS: she could ... feel this delicious heat ... spreading up into her chest...
XANEUS: out into her arms and fingertips... making her ... feel so excited
XANEUS: up into her throat and face, making her ... flush with passion
XANEUS: she found that she could ... just let go... and really ... allow yourself to ... just feel so good all over
XANEUS: and the heat continued to spread...
XANEUS: it spread slowly down into the depths of her belly, making her ... feel so strongly...
XANEUS: she said she could even ... feel butterflies in your stomach
XANEUS: and the heat spread down into her legs... down into her thighs, making her fairly feel on fire...
XANEUS: and it continued to spread ... deep down inside ... into every place she wanted it to go...
XANEUS: She said ... at this moment... she could just ... feel that
XANEUS: this is the guy for you... he's with you now... me, ... when I heard this I was just overwhelmed
XANEUS: can you ... feel that ... is maybe what it would be like to just ... fall in love with this person?
XANEUS: Isn't that an incredible experience?
her: it is.
her: Absolutely amazing
XANEUS: If you were to ... experience this... do you think you'd be able to ... feel free... and just let yourself ... become so happy?
her: I have actually. Didn't exactly get married, but definately felt that way
XANEUS: really, tell me about it...
her: Well, it's the girl who's my best friend now. When we first met, I had that similar feeling....sort of like a weakness, and a strenth all at the same time....I knew I had to talk to her, but couldn't get out of my chair and go over to her
her: I finally got over there, and we began talking....everything just seemed to click right away....
her: I got this eurphoric feeling, kind of like a numbness in my fingertips, and knew that I needed to be with this woman....
her: I had a feeling that I had seen or met her before (my dream), and could see us together in the future.......family, house and all...
her: could even see the dog that we had, and the type of house that we lived in.....
her: I just had this extreme sense that we were destined to be together, that it was planned from the start......If I had spent anymore time just looking into her eyes, I would probably have fallen instantly in love with her right there....
her: she is still my best friend to this day, and I am closer to her than I've ever been to anybody in my entire life....and I know that even though we aren't "together", we'll never be apart....
XANEUS: How did it make you feel when you realized that... you can feel such an incredible connection for another person... ?
her: It was a weird but welcome feeling....I had never really had feelings so strong for someone when I first met them, but this girl was different. I was still in awe for the entire time that we were together that this incredible girl was with me...and I thanked god everday for my "gift"......
XANEUS: At what point when you met her did you just ... realize that this person is very special... was it the instant you met her? Or did it grow as you continued to talk with her?
her: right when we started talking, I just new
XANEUS: that's incredible...
her: yes, it was
XANEUS: do you ever think that you could ... experience this deep connection... with a man?
her: no
XANEUS: why not?
her: cause, I don't see men that way
XANEUS: so this incredible friendship was more than merely platonic?
her: in the beginning it was, yes
XANEUS: that's awesome... unfortunately I have to go now... it was nice talking with you though..
her: yeah, you too


Okay... so in real life, I'd probably kiss her/him (eww gross) when "she" got into state, or when she started spilling "her" guts out... but if for some reason (surroungings/situation) I couldn't ... where should I take the conversation from here? I was having trouble with this, and I really didn't feel like trying once I found out that "she" was a guy.

Also, of course, any other criticism is welcome...

 

[XANEUS]

Any thoughts on this? I have done this once online and once in real life with the patterns, and I just don't know where to go from there... Once they're in that dazed rapt attention state... assuming you're in a public place, what then?

 

[Shiftkey]

Originally posted by XANEUS:
Any thoughts on this? I have done this once online and once in real life with the patterns, and I just don't know where to go from there... Once they're in that dazed rapt attention state... assuming you're in a public place, what then?

You can't kiss in public or something? I have no problem with it.

 

[XANEUS]

Not if you go to a small school, plan on dating many women, and already have more of a reputation as a ladies man than you should...

 

[oreo_renegade]

so i got on my old screen name, went to a 20's chat, because earlier i tryed it with chicks who were my age (HS), and it didnt work.. reasons why? oh well, so finally i went and found a chick whos 19, and this is how it went:
(im oreo dude 5D)

her: hi
oreo dude 5D: hey
her: asl
oreo dude 5D: 20 m nc
oreo dude 5D: u?
her: 19/f/tx
oreo dude 5D: ahh a souther chick
oreo dude 5D: so you dont have a profile ive noticed
her: yeah...should do that huh haha
oreo dude 5D: well i dunno
oreo dude 5D: i dont keep one cuz i dont want people to prejudge me
oreo dude 5D: until they kno me
her: right
oreo dude 5D: i was planning a vacation.. is it nice in TX?
her: born and raised....love it
oreo dude 5D: really
her: weather is crazy
oreo dude 5D: so what would a good spot for a trip be?
her: well...prolly Dallas or Austin
oreo dude 5D: hmmmm
her: haven't been many other places actually
oreo dude 5D: really?
her: I'm not COUNTRY...but didn't live in a big city
oreo dude 5D: when was the last time you went on vacation?
her: hmmm
her: not sure
oreo dude 5D: lol
oreo dude 5D: you should go
her: summer before last?
her: I took summer school and worked the last half
oreo dude 5D: ahhh
oreo dude 5D: was it fun?
{got disconnected here}
oreo dude 5D: damn aim
oreo dude 5D: back*
oreo dude 5D: so how was your trip?
her: don't remember
her: probably good haha
oreo dude 5D: lol
oreo dude 5D: i just came back from a trip
oreo dude 5D: id never foget it
oreo dude 5D: it was incredible
her: awesome
oreo dude 5D: would u like to hear about it?
her: why sure
oreo dude 5D: well i went to africa and i was doing a lot of hikig there, but the thing taht really was special to me is when we were coming down this mountain
oreo dude 5D: and there was this huge waterfall
oreo dude 5D: and as you got closer
oreo dude 5D: you could feel its energy..
oreo dude 5D: its just started in your chest
oreo dude 5D: and then grew
oreo dude 5D: and became hot
oreo dude 5D: and then started spreading
her:
oreo dude 5D: and the rush of the water juss made a huge rush in your body
oreo dude 5D: a growing feling of excitement..
her: stop haha ;-)
oreo dude 5D: lol
oreo dude 5D: u dont wann hear about it?
her: oh no I do
her: I was kiddin
her: keep going
oreo dude 5D: lol
oreo dude 5D: and after you would walk down there
oreo dude 5D: and stand so close to the water.. you would start getting moist
oreo dude 5D: and feel this great gush or wind
oreo dude 5D: like a powerfull force sweeping across
oreo dude 5D: and as i stood there.. i was jsut thinking... would it be incredible if a prson could make you feel taht way.. with me.. if someone like taht came along.. i think it would be a very special connection
oreo dude 5D: wouldnt you think?
her: slightly
oreo dude 5D: have you ever felt like taht?
her: can't think of a specific time
oreo dude 5D: ohhh
her: no no no
oreo dude 5D: no no no ?
her: I'm not a slut if that's what you took from that
oreo dude 5D: no i didnt
her: oh ok
oreo dude 5D: i just think it would be special if you could meet someone like that
her: no kidding
oreo dude 5D: you would just feel incredible attachment towards taht person
oreo dude 5D: and hold on to the feeling..and feel it everytime you thought of them.. and enjoy it so much.. youd think aboutt hem all the time
her: yeah
oreo dude 5D: it reminds me of love..when your in love.. like madly in love
her: never been there
oreo dude 5D: can you see urself being in love?
her: not really any time soon....bad experience
oreo dude 5D: ahh i c
oreo dude 5D: but if the right person came along, it wouldnt stop you would it?
her: well the bad experience was kinda traumatic...maybe though
oreo dude 5D: ohhh
oreo dude 5D: i understand
her: ok...to cure your curiousity...
her: my ex raped me a few months ago
oreo dude 5D: thats horrible
oreo dude 5D: i cant stand rapists
her: but he told me we didn't even have sex
oreo dude 5D: ive had a friend who was raped too
oreo dude 5D: everytime someone talks about rapists..its like my feelings get the best of me
oreo dude 5D: and i want them to pay
oreo dude 5D: omg im gonna b late for work
oreo dude 5D: lol
JessSmileN: noo
JessSmileN: don't leave
oreo dude 5D: i really enjoeyed takling with you
oreo dude 5D: mayb ill see you around
oreo dude 5D: bye
her: hopefully
her: bye

ok, please say what i did wrong or right

it was werid cuz her reply up there was "slightly" and then at the end, she was like "noo dont leave" and "hopefully"

so idunno exactly how it went..

lol i thought i went into describing desired states too much becuz she was like "stop" lol
but then told me to go on so i guess she liked it....?

next time mayb ill try using MORE weasel phrases and hiding hte desired states a bit better? what do you think? all feedback is appreciated

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"... I'm tensed a bit,
and tempted,
when I see the sins,
my friends commit,
I'm infinite... "-EMINEM

 

[oreo_renegade]

her: Hey sexy
me: hey baby
her: whats goin o n
me: nm
me: juss reading sum htings
me: what about u?
her: yeah me too
me: like what?
her: i am sitting here watching beauty and the beast special edition
her: lol
me: haha
me: thts a great movie
her: yeah, i know
her: lol
her: got it for my birthday
me: ohhh tats nice
me: wats the "special" part about it?
her: yes it is, and I also got lord of the rings, special extended edition
her: lol
her: it has more parts in it
me: ahhh
me: do u think itll snow tomorrow?
her: u really havent seen it have you?
her: lol
her: I hope so
me: ive seen beauty and hte beast
her: do u?
her: really?
me: yeah
me: back when i was a lil kiddie
her: kiddie
her: ll
her: o
me: ahahah
me: ll -o!
me: osund like ur singing "jello"
her: oh shut up its not like you havent meesed up on a word
her: lol
her: no i dont
me: i havnt
me: <is perfect
her: yeah
her: u have
her: nah ur no t
me: i am no-t
her: sh1t up
her: shut*
me: ahahha
me: lets all relax
her: look ur makin me mess up more
me: no need to type crazy ass o neh keyboard
me: yeah
me: and "o neh"
me: i typed tat intentionally
her: lol
me:
her: yeah.....sure ya did
her: lol
her: ;-)
me: i id
me: did*
me: lol
her: haha
her: nah u didnt so stop pretending
me: pretending is great
me: dot u ever pretend?
me: dont*
hr: yeah
her: about other stuff
me: like wat?
her: why do u need to know?
her: lol
me: im just curious
her: i figured
me: hav u ever felt curious?
her: yes i have
me: mayb as a lil kid
me: like
her: maybe as now
her: lol
me: lol
me: oh "stuff"
me: thats always great
her: yeah
me: lol
me: im guesing its secret "stuff"
me: tat i cant kno about?
her: well ya know juss things you sit and think about when you have so much free time
her: nah i dont care if you know
her: there is alot of things i pretend and am curious about
me: pretend like.. imagine?
her: there is juss so many
her: yeah mostly
me: wats the best, most incredible thing u ever imagined?
her: that i was a vampire
hre: i already told u that a long time ago hun
her: lol
me: really!
her: well, one of them
me: a vampire?
me: wat was great about being a vampire?
her: sometimes i think about if i went out with this person then what about his one, who will I be happier with
her: sometimes I think bout that
her: vampires cant die
me: can u like picture a perfect person
me: someone that u meet
me: and this great connection forms
me: and just from beng there
me: with them
her: sometimes
me: what would it be like
me: to be wiht someone like that
her: perfect
me: how would u feel?
her: like someone cares about me, no matter what it is good or bad they are always ther
her: e
her: and they would also be a friend too not just a bf
me: some one u could...trust?
her: yeah mostly that woulnt go telling everyone what i said about this person or that person or what i did or what i didnt do
her: what bout u?
me: this is interesting
her: what would be the perfect one for you
herr: well i am not saying this for nothin you tell me now
her: lol
me: lol
me: well
me: with me
me: i would think
me: like
me: you kno that type of wonderful click
me: "right there"
her: yeah
me: hat makexs u drawn to that person
me: ad its kinda funny
me: cuz on the one hand
me: u woudl jsut meet taht person
me: and u would already have a feeling of being totally connected
me: and inside
me: you would start feeling like
me: this urge
me: like
me: "i need to get to kno them"
me: now.. to me.. i think its a big eliment of fascination
her: yeah i know what you mean
me: i think its like
deme: i start to realyl look
me: and listen
me: and everything ele melts away
me: esle*
me: and its just the two of you
me: and as u stand there
me: just listenign to their voice
me: u let it wrap around u
me: like a warm blanket
me: where all u feel
me: all u experience
me: is this power
me: of a wonderful connection
her: this is interesting ya know, hearing all this from you
me:
me: brb
her: k
me: back
me: but like
me: you kkno
me: i can just stop
me: and thikn aboutt he future
me: about 5yrs from now
her: k
me: and still have that type of connection
me: wouldnt it be a wonderful thing to experience?
her: yeah thats what i would like but sometimes it doesnt wokthat way
me: it can
me: if u let it
her: it would be one of the greatest thing in life you could ever experience
me: u just have to let go
her: i know it can but sometimes it doesnt
me: and give into the feeling
me: and ull feel it
me: and itll b wonderfull
her: oh speak for yourself there buddy
her: lol
me: lol
her: i know
me: this all like
me: goes along with this article i was reading
oreo renegade: woud u liekto hera about it?
her: well it has happened to me twice and both times it turned out really really bad
her: sure i would
me: well the article was talking about compulsion
me: and it got em tihnking about th diff betweeen compulsion
me: and anticiaption
me: i dont kno if u kno he diff or not, but a compulsion is like
me: wen something happens wihtout u realizing it
me: but an anticipation
her: I know
me: is like when you mind can predict a pleasure
her: lol
her: dont worry
me: an waits for it
her: i am not officially a dumbass
me: lol
her: and you cant wait for it
her: i know hun
her: lol
me: like hav u ever found urself reaching for the fridge?
me: and then like
me: ur hand is on the handle
me: and u thikn "omg wats going on"
her: i find myself there often
her: lol
me: tats like compulsion
her: yeah
me: and hen with anticipation, its like.. have u ever come home from a rotten day?
me: and all u can think about is dropping every stitch of clothing
me: and getting into a hot steamy bath
me: and before u do it
me: u start thikning about how great it would feel
me: just to have that warmth spread throughout ur body
me: and hten theres that moment of sliding in
me: and u just let the heat take over
her: yes
her: lol
me: and give into the pleasure
me: see i think its very interesting
me: how people conenct wiht their thoughts
me: and ideas
me: and daydreams
me: and like
me: brb
her: yeah it is
her: but i dont bath that often I only take showers
her: l
her: k
me: u can slip into a shower
her: okay then
me: c i think
me: what happens is
me: the concious mind
me: can go down
me: and com back up with all these thoughts
me: and ideas
me: i used t think
me: aht all my ideas were from above me
me: but now i feel like
me: theyr from below me
me: because ur coming.. form a deeper place
me: from*
her: below you?
her: oh
me: yes
me: do u kno what i mean?
her: yes i do
me: see i think
her: sometimes it feels like I just stop altogether and nothing else matter but that one thing I am thinking about that one special moment
me: exactly
me: and u want to mame it last forever
her: see we have alot thing in common
me: yeah
me: like
her: yeah
me: you kno ther person
her: hol on one sec I have to go change into some clothes
her: lol
me: taht makes u feel like this
me: and then u start to notice that, juss being there with them
me: make u feel this great
me: its like...
me: soon urll ralise
me: just thiknin aboutt hem
me: u start feeling it
me: and so ull want to think about them all hte time
me: and the feeling will grow
me: like in ur chest
her: yeah
me: and itll just expand
me: and take over u
her: yeah like pressure
me: can u imagina what that would b like?
her: yeah i know exactly what u mean
me: isnt it wonderfull?
her: oh yeah i could
her: sometimes it is
her: but sometimes it isnt
me: the other times
me: its not real
her: cause maybe when u fell it the other person doesnt feel the same way then it takes a long time for that feeling to pass and then it takes up so much space inside that there is no room for anyone or anything else
her: i mean havent you watched tv?
her: lol
me: yeah but tv
me: like it cant express things that great
me: because its a bunch of scripts
me: and words
me: or pictures
her: but seriously that happens....alot....and mostly to the same person
her: they can realy make u feel things
me: it just comes.. from wihtin
me: neway
me: i g2g
me: cya
her: i dont know
her: bye babe
her: i have to go too
her: hugs and kisses
me: bye
her: bye bye

alright, this was like a chick that i kno, and shes a lil HS kiddie too, basically why i posted the whole big convo, is cuz i wanted sum advice/tips on how i entered the SS part of hte convo.. like was it smoooth.. or was it a weird?

also i think i woulda got a better reaction from her if i didnt keep goig on "brb" lol

any way, i kno u said to seduce 3-5 women, and like post the convos here, but i think ill just post these two, ont to take up MORE space, but so far ive SSed about 3 chicks.. well he second time it was 2 chicks at once,(this post is hte 3rd time) bu i mean ive tryed SS 3 diff times.

also i think what makes it harder, in a way, online is that they might get distracted by sumone at home, without u knowing it, and then they wont b in the right state and think what ur saying is weird. lol


Critic away, and give suggestions too.

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"... I'm tensed a bit,
and tempted,
when I see the sins,
my friends commit,
I'm infinite... "-EMINEM

 

[Siemer]

well i think you werent bringing it very well. Pushing it to hard!! make sure it sounds natural and fluffy, not psychopathic!!