"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Vodka, you've done it again..

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A couple weeks ago I met this HB 9 at a party. She wanted me before I even said a word to her. The next day she added me on facebook and we've been talking ever since. My game has been on the money lately and it seems like I can get girls left and right. In the past week ive hung out with this HB 9 a few times and ive been taking it pretty slow because ive been thinking about pursuing something with her. All weve done its makeout. Anywways last night I decided to bring her out for a few drinks at a buddies and right when I walk in I notice a bottle of absolute sitting there waiting for me to crack it open. Well I get more rowdy then any person ever with vodka so I kindof ****ed up by assuming she was trying to get with my friends. She was kinda flirty but nothing serious and after she was driven home I told her bestfriend that I wanted nothing to do with her. About 10 mins later I get a text from HB 9 asking about what I said, I then proceeded to end things with her and basically shut down any chance I had with.her. Is this worth fixing? If so, how do I fix it without putting her on a pedastol?

P.S: Pardon the spelling and grammar, it is incredibly difficult to use this website on my phone.
 

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I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Wheeler said:
A couple weeks ago I met this HB 9 at a party. She wanted me before I even said a word to her. The next day she added me on facebook and we've been talking ever since. My game has been on the money lately and it seems like I can get girls left and right. In the past week ive hung out with this HB 9 a few times and ive been taking it pretty slow because ive been thinking about pursuing something with her. All weve done its makeout. Anywways last night I decided to bring her out for a few drinks at a buddies and right when I walk in I notice a bottle of absolute sitting there waiting for me to crack it open. Well I get more rowdy then any person ever with vodka so I kindof ****ed up by assuming she was trying to get with my friends. She was kinda flirty but nothing serious and after she was driven home I told her bestfriend that I wanted nothing to do with her. About 10 mins later I get a text from HB 9 asking about what I said, I then proceeded to end things with her and basically shut down any chance I had with.her. Is this worth fixing? If so, how do I fix it without putting her on a pedastol?

P.S: Pardon the spelling and grammar, it is incredibly difficult to use this website on my phone.
It wasn't the vodka. First:

Wheeler said:
My game has been on the money lately and it seems like I can get girls left and right.
By 'get' you mean bang or literally just talk to? If you're not banging, you're not 'getting' anything.

Wheeler said:
In the past week ive hung out with this HB 9 a few times and ive been taking it pretty slow because ive been thinking about pursuing something with her. All weve done its makeout.
This is what lost her. Classic mistake, I've been there, learned my lesson the first time. Taking it slow because you want something more is anathema to seduction. You're in the friends category now because you spent SO long doing nothing but making out. You put her on a pedestal a long time ago when you decided to 'go slow'.

Here's what I would do:

Invite her over for drinks/movie. You've already been out/made out, so this is natural progression.

If she agrees and comes over (high interest), put the moves on and seal the deal.

If she doesn't agree (low/no interest), move on.

Anything else you're just wasting your time.
 

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It wasn't the vodka. First:



By 'get' you mean bang or literally just talk to? If you're not banging, you're not 'getting' anything.



This is what lost her. Classic mistake, I've been there, learned my lesson the first time. Taking it slow because you want something more is anathema to seduction. You're in the friends category now because you spent SO long doing nothing but making out. You put her on a pedestal a long time ago when you decided to 'go slow'.

Here's what I would do:

Invite her over for drinks/movie. You've already been out/made out, so this is natural progression.

If she agrees and comes over (high interest), put the moves on and seal the deal.

If she doesn't agree (low/no interest), move on.

Anything else you're just wasting your time.
When is a good time to shoot her a text? I'm overthinking it way to much but I did **** up quite a bit lol
 

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Wo wo wo wait a minute everybody and lets focus on THIS line:
I kindof ****ed up by assuming she was trying to get with my friends. She was kinda flirty but nothing serious and after she was driven home I told her bestfriend that I wanted nothing to do with her.
So first of all alchool or not, your gut told you that there was something wrong, either that or vodka made you critically paranoid and a visionary.

Now it depends what you mean by that "she was kinda flirty", was she just being polite and laughting to your friends joke? or she was encouraging them to go further by giving positive reactions?

Its either she was really flirty after finding a bigger better deal in your friend or she was trying to play some game, like the jealousy game or as said vodka made you a visionary.

Now I dont know how to interpret the fact that after you complained with her friend,she got the message right after and strightly contacted you, either a planned mid fvck which backfired her or she simply wanted some drama to fill her night.

The key point for me is just to find out if it was your gut to create that discomfort or the vodka made you paranoid/insecure about her.

As a general rule I may say that interested girls never do anything that would confuse you,create discomfort to you nor push you away from them.
But in your particular case only you know.

Anyway a girl which is taken to a party and openly flirts with the friends of such guys is a top level cvnt who doesnt even mind to ruin his reputation in his own friend circle, happened to me once and learned my lesson
really good, written in stone I may say.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I wanna say it was a little bit of gut/vodka. As I remember she was just talking to all the other guys in the house in groups and then would come back to me and try to make out. She was drunk so obviously she wants to talk to people and there was like 10 guys and 2 girls so there really wasnt anyone to socialize with other than guys.
 

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Wheeler said:
When is a good time to shoot her a text? I'm overthinking it way to much but I did **** up quite a bit lol
Now, don't think so much about it. You're too emotionally invested in her. There are unlimited women out there for the taking and you have no reason to treat her special (at this point).

Keep it simple. Either she comes over and you progress or she doesn't and you let go and move on.
 

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What I've noticed and experienced is that the more people there are around you during the initial stages of dating a chick, the quicker the relationship goes belly up. Parties, group things, multiperson dates, it all goes downhill pretty fast, and denotes that she doesn't care to be alone with you (if applicable).

To avoid people (mainly other men) from meddling with your game keep it 1 on 1.

As for this particular situation, your gut may be right. Perhaps the vodka sharpened your gut-sense and you noticed and acted on something you didn't like about her interactions without inhibition.
 

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VladPatton said:
What I've noticed and experienced is that the more people there are around you during the initial stages of dating a chick, the quicker the relationship goes belly up. Parties, group things, multiperson dates, it all goes downhill pretty fast, and denotes that she doesn't care to be alone with you (if applicable).

To avoid people (mainly other men) from meddling with your game keep it 1 on 1.

As for this particular situation, your gut may be right. Perhaps the vodka sharpened your gut-sense and you noticed and acted on something you didn't like about her interactions without inhibition.
Agree on that, also the fact that she only agrees on "group meeting" or with friends involved is by itself a red flag.

Even if a one on one meeting is the norm, I suggest to avoid big parties and group exits at least untill a clear sign of sexual intimacy, wheter is a handjob from her or better yet a proper hammering session.

Any girl which doesnt agree or sabotage 1on1 meetings is implicitly saying that she wants to avoid any situation where you can attempt to escalate.

Plus all the other factors like competition, temptations, c0ckblocking and the jealousy game that women love so much.
 
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