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Not long ago a man, who I’d seen around a few times, approached me, telling me that I should be “very nervous” because he was going to “steal away” my girlfriend. I just gave him a dry look and said, “I don’t think that she would agree” and walked away.

There is a friend of mine, Gary. When I’m away or busy and my girlfriend, Lilly, wants to go out, often she’ll get Gary to go with her. She tells me that she likes it when Gary goes with her as his presence tends to keep other guys from hitting on her all the time. I refer to Gary affectionately as my Babe Sitter. One day Gary was telling me that there is this guy, John, who told Gary to quit hanging around Lilly and give other guys a chance to hang out with her. Lilly gave John a good talking to.

And, last night I was at a party and this guy approached me and started telling me how wonderful he thought Lilly was, how she is so beautiful and funny and on and on. He obviously had a thing for her and was frustrated as could be. As he spoke I watched as Lilly socialized with others, watched as other men became spellbound by her – including at least two who had previously professed their love for her. I thought, yes she is beautiful and interesting and entertaining… I also thought back to when I first met her and how I had my doubts as to her beauty and to her social habits, how I worried that she might not fit into my life.

I thought about how it had taken three or four months of being “friends” with her before deciding that I wanted a relationship with her. Yet here are these men, a seemingly endless stream of them, who barely know her, who profess their love for her and their willingness to take care of her for the rest of her life – if only they had a chance, if only I would step aside.

It’s not just with Lilly but most my past girlfriends and my friends, Mary, Amanda, Susan, Kathleen and all the others I’ve written about. It brings back memories of my old girlfriend, Tami, with whom I witnessed literally hundreds of men making a play for her, all to no avail. It was during my time with Tami that I first became aware of the so-called seduction community. It was while hanging with Tami that I first saw, first hand, the practice of what the seduction community teaches and came to the realization that much of that practice, just as hitting on women in general, is highly ineffectual.

This all comes back to the internal question that I sometimes ask myself, “why her, why me?” Why is it that a woman who can have seemingly any man she wants, pick the one who did very little, specifically, to attract her. And why is it that even with many women vying for my attention it seems that only certain ones matter.

What it all comes down to is that Lilly and I are of a type. Same with the others – we are of a type. It reminds me of the title of a book I used to have, To Catch a Mouse Make a Noise Like a Cheese. You don’t get women by gaming them, by seducing them, by picking them up. You get a woman by being the type of man she wants.

There is a reason people like Ketostix, STR8UP, Colossus, Phyzzle, KnotrollerX, and a few others are so insistent that I am a woman. You see, broadly speaking, there are two types of people in the world, those who figure things out for themselves, and those who need direction. The above are of the second type. That is why they are here. They couldn’t figure out how to get women on their own so they turned to others. Unfortunately the seduction community gets its knowledge base from characters like Mystery, Johnny Soporno, Tyler Durden, and here, Rollo Tomassi. All with flaws and none of them of the type that women naturally fall for. Yet they are the standard by which men here use to judge how a man should be.

Thus when they read the musings of a man, who women do naturally fall for, they do not recognize the thoughts of a real man. Doubt me? Just try to act like Mystery, mental illness and all, and watch women describe you as a creep. Follow David DeAngelo’s advice and watch women flake on you. Follow Johnny Soporno’s advice and watch strippers have you thrown out. Follow Tyler Durden’s advice and get beaten up. Follow Rollo’s advice and you’ll never discover that women are more than just a piece of a$$.

Most women don’t like to be hit on, especially the ones that get hit on all the time. Most women like a man that they can talk to. This isn’t the type of talk that is standard of the seduction community. Rather women like a man who they can talk to on a personal level, as a friend, someone they can trust, someone they can believe in. The secret is to find women who see the world as you do, women who are on your level. Relationships with women should never be power struggles, they should be cooperative efforts.
 

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Potato, what you say has merits but it is laced with femininity. I would say from reading your post you are a good looking feminine man.

There is nothing wrong with your approach to women as there are many ranging from very yin to very yang (such as the guys you have mentioned).

Some woman will be naturally attracted to your approach. And some will prefer the apporach of the DJ's on this site such as KontrollerX. There is no right or wrong way as there as there is a broad spectrum of women ranging from the extremely feminine to lesbians.

I disagree with you on your last comment though. Woman enjoy male attention. They spend billions each year on fashion and make up. They go out to clubs, flirt and sometimes compete to see how many free drinks they can get.

The problems start though when men stop being men and become too girly. Once this happens relationships become led by the female and chaos follows.
 

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You're talking about making a connection with a woman on some other levels and being a gent perhaps and that's all well and good. But I'd shy away from sounding as if your mode of attracting women works well only because it seems from your story that you have a succession of women who love to flirt with other men while they're in a relationship with you.

Additionally none of those smitten guys mind telling you of their affection for your girl friends. They say they love her! They can't possibly be professing love and devotion from just a smile and a wink from the girl either, so I suspect stuff is going on behind your back and you're blissfully not cognizant of it in the least.

So basically from that and other bits I get the sense that either you're pulling our legs or that for your alleged girlfriends, you function as a beard.

It sounds more like they use you to bring them to places where they can be seen and meet available men.
 

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WHEN you are IN a relationship, your method works. When you are trying to meet a woman, I'd look at the other methods first. You actually have to have the goods to keep a good woman. I'm not sure where you live, but it is not acceptable to have men running up to me telling me they love my GF. If a friend of mine felt it necessary to tell me more than once, He'd be told to back off[consequences to follow]

Are all your girlfriends AW's? THere shouldn't be bunches of men thinking they have a chance[unless you are such a dork that they all think she could do better] without her encouraging it.
 

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sodbuster said:
THere shouldn't be bunches of men thinking they have a chance[unless you are such a dork that they all think she could do better] without her encouraging it.
Exactly,

You see,Spud, social interacting of the type that you describe between your G/f and those "other guys" (read flirting) is a TWO HANDED game. Those other guys are not being stunned by her and falling "in love" with YOUR G/f without HER playing the flirty seductress.

Women who are truly committed to one man do not act like this. They enter a "blitz state" and they erect that invisible shield which is damn inpenetrable to other males. Most guys here know how tough that sheild is. YOur G/f has no such shield up.


ASk yourself this, if YOU were creating "loving feelings" in a lot of other women and they were falling for you, do you think that YOU may have played an active part in that process ?
 

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Potato this is how a woman lesbian picks up another woman, and that's not how it works for males. All those guys are striking out for two reasons, 1. They're pedastalizing the girl. (which by the way is something we recommend never to do) and 2. They're hitting on a lesbian.

There is a reason people like Ketostix, STR8UP, Colossus, Phyzzle, KnotrollerX, and a few others are so insistent that I am a woman. You see, broadly speaking, there are two types of people in the world, those who figure things out for themselves, and those who need direction. The above are of the second type. That is why they are here. They couldn’t figure out how to get women on their own so they turned to others. Unfortunately the seduction community gets its knowledge base from characters like Mystery, Johnny Soporno, Tyler Durden, and here, Rollo Tomassi. All with flaws and none of them of the type that women naturally fall for. Yet they are the standard by which men here use to judge how a man should be.
LOL you're wrong. Speaking for myself, I don't blindly follow any guru or anyone else for that matter. I take my own experience and what I've learned and compare it to what someone else is suggesting. That's what I do with you as well potato, and you don't even pass the BS test. Besides, I've disagreed with Rollo at times.



Most women like a man that they can talk to. This isn’t the type of talk that is standard of the seduction community. Rather women like a man who they can talk to on a personal level, as a friend, someone they can trust, someone they can believe in. The secret is to find women who see the world as you do, women who are on your level. Relationships with women should never be power struggles, they should be cooperative efforts.
When have we heard a woman say none of that 'PU" stuff works on them, hmm? This will get you female friends but few lovers. There are a lot of female games and power struggles that have to be dealt with. I still say you are describing lesbian relationships not male/female ones.
 

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potato said:
It’s not just with Lilly but most my past girlfriends and my friends, Mary, Amanda, Susan, Kathleen and all the others I’ve written about. It brings back memories of my old girlfriend, Tami, with whom I witnessed literally hundreds of men making a play for her, all to no avail.
Literally hundreds, huh?

I've been with some damn good looking women in my life, and even the one who was an incessant flirt probably didn't get hit on that many times in the year we were together, let alone when I was around. I would guess that I saw her get hit on maybe half a dozen times in a year.

I would even go so far as to say that decent looking women don't get hit on hundreds of times over the course of FIVE years, and definitely not that many times when their man is around.

Do you honestly expect us to believe this crap?

There is a reason people like Ketostix, STR8UP, Colossus, Phyzzle, KnotrollerX, and a few others are so insistent that I am a woman. You see, broadly speaking, there are two types of people in the world, those who figure things out for themselves, and those who need direction.
Haha....our resident lesbian romance novelist seems to be trying to flip the script. Classic feminine tactic.

The above are of the second type. That is why they are here. They couldn’t figure out how to get women on their own so they turned to others. Unfortunately the seduction community gets its knowledge base from characters like Mystery, Johnny Soporno, Tyler Durden, and here, Rollo Tomassi. All with flaws and none of them of the type that women naturally fall for. Yet they are the standard by which men here use to judge how a man should be.
If we could only grasp the boundless wisdom and master the seductive gaze of potato, we would all truly be masters in the game if seduction!

Follow Rollo’s advice and you’ll never discover that women are more than just a piece of a$$.
I'm pretty sure that Rollo does not consider his wife to be "just a piece of ass".

Pick and choose the points you wish to address, and ignore the rest. ANOTHER typical feminine tactic.

Most women don’t like to be hit on, especially the ones that get hit on all the time.
If there was ever any doubt in my mind that you are a woman, the above quote sealed it for me. You are DEFINITELY a woman.

The funny thing is, just like other women, I'm positive that you actually believe the crap you say!
 

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Follow Tyler Durden’s advice and get beaten up.
Hahaha so true.

Women who are truly committed to one man do not act like this.
As I remember, none of these relationships are committed. (I don't know why he continues to call them all girlfriends.) Maybe none of these guys even know that he and Lilly are involved.

Then again, none of the people in any of his stories (himself included) act at all like normal people. I've visited most English speaking countries, and nowhere do people just wonder around in a daze like that. I've known a feminine (in that case bisexual) guy who fooled around with an enviable number of women, but this one seems to live in a very strange and very isolated community.
 

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STR8UP said:
Literally hundreds, huh?

I've been with some damn good looking women in my life, and even the one who was an incessant flirt probably didn't get hit on that many times in the year we were together, let alone when I was around. I would guess that I saw her get hit on maybe half a dozen times in a year.

I would even go so far as to say that decent looking women don't get hit on hundreds of times over the course of FIVE years, and definitely not that many times when their man is around.

Do you honestly expect us to believe this crap?
These are lesbian strippers though, remember ;) ?

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Haha....our resident lesbian romance novelist seems to be trying to flip the script. Classic feminine tactic.
Yep, I noticed that too. It's just one of the reasons I can tell potato is a woman.

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potato said:
Most women don’t like to be hit on, especially the ones that get hit on all the time.
If there was ever any doubt in my mind that you are a woman, the above quote sealed it for me. You are DEFINITELY a woman.
Let me translate that and it will all add up.

Most lesbian strippers don’t like to be hit on by their male customers, especially the ones that get hit on all the time
:up:
 

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They say they love her! They can't possibly be professing love and devotion from just a smile and a wink from the girl either,
You’d be surprised how many guys fall for girls with just a wink and a smile.
so I suspect stuff is going on behind your back and you're blissfully not cognizant of it in the least.
Most likely not.
It sounds more like they use you to bring them to places where they can be seen and meet available men.
Except that I never take women places. Mostly I have them meet me there. With my old girlfriend Tami, we would meet at some club after work ever so often. Usually when I arrived she would have an audience, of sorts, of men, or mostly men, at least one of whom would have boughten her a drink or two. Always she would jump up and latch onto me saying something like, “Sorry guys but my man is here.”

sodbuster said:
WHEN you are IN a relationship, your method works.
Actually my method works regardless. Long ago, when I was around 20, I had the idea that all women were the same, that one was as good as the next. An idea I no longer hold but I once did nonetheless. During that time I got the idea that I should dispense with all the preliminary stuff and just start talking to a women like I already knew her. Most any woman that I can engage in a conversation with long enough will fall for me, to some extent.
Are all your girlfriends AW's?
Depends on how you define AW. The women who I am most drawn to tend to be stand-up kind of women – singers, musicians, dancers, teachers, actresses, doctors, politicians, strippers, PR spokeswomen, and the like.

jophil28 said:
You see,Spud, social interacting of the type that you describe between your G/f and those "other guys" (read flirting) is a TWO HANDED game. Those other guys are not being stunned by her and falling "in love" with YOUR G/f without HER playing the flirty seductress.
Possibly but I’ve noticed that most men aren’t very good at flirting. Many of those guys confuse their excitement over her presence (Doesn’t Rollo say that all it takes for a man to become interested in a women is her hotness?) and her friendliness as something more than it is.
Women who are truly committed to one man do not act like this. They enter a "blitz state" and they erect that invisible shield which is damn inpenetrable to other males. Most guys here know how tough that sheild is. YOur G/f has no such shield up.
That is because you are imagining behavior that is not there. One of the reasons that it doesn’t bother me when other guys try to hit on my girlfriend is because I know none of them will succeed.
ASk yourself this, if YOU were creating "loving feelings" in a lot of other women and they were falling for you, do you think that YOU may have played an active part in that process ?
Actually I’m quite aware that I do create “loving feelings” within other women, I wrote about it in my thread “Women according to Potato.” It doesn’t take a lot to create those feelings in some women. In any case, even if I purposely try to create those feelings in a woman, it doesn’t mean that I have to act on it.
 

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Potato this is how a woman lesbian picks up another woman, and that's not how it works for males.
Actually it always works this way for males. You just lack the foresight to see it. All the game in the world does no good if a woman doesn’t want to be picked up. You are just deluding yourself with your game.

When have we heard a woman say none of that 'PU" stuff works on them, hmm? This will get you female friends but few lovers.
And that “PU” stuff works on any woman, by any man? Again you’re deluding yourself.

I still say you are describing lesbian relationships
Since you are the resident expert on lesbian relationships, right?

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I would even go so far as to say that decent looking women don't get hit on hundreds of times over the course of FIVE years, and definitely not that many times when their man is around.
Once we were waiting outside of a 7-Eleven waiting for some friends to show up. In the course of about an hour eight different men approached her and tried to interest her in themselves. I just stood back in mild amusement.

If we could only grasp the boundless wisdom and master the seductive gaze of potato, we would all truly be masters in the game if seduction!
Actually I have nothing to do with seduction. Seduction implies false promises. The reason some of you have such problems with women flaking on you and the like is because you lead them on falsely and once they wise up, you’re history. I never lie, I never deceive. It’s how one builds trust.

I'm pretty sure that Rollo does not consider his wife to be "just a piece of ass".
Yet he insists that the only requirements a man has for a woman is her hotness and availability.

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potato said:
Most women don’t like to be hit on, especially the ones that get hit on all the time.
If there was ever any doubt in my mind that you are a woman, the above quote sealed it for me. You are DEFINITELY a woman.
I was talking about beautiful quality women, not the dogs that you lay with.
 

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potato said:
I was talking about beautiful quality women, not the dogs that you lay with.
Like Amanda the 39 year old stripper?
 

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Then again, none of the people in any of his stories (himself included) act at all like normal people.
Actually it was the realization that I’m not normal that prompted me to write this thread. It was after a series of men expressing their fondness for my girlfriend, over a short period of time, and a number of reports from people that she is not tempted by other men, that she always tells everyone how wonderful she thinks that I am. I kept thinking about how it is that I have repeatedly found myself the object of affection of women who I never hit on while those women are fighting off other men who come onto them.

That’s what the title, view from the other side, is in reference to. Seeing men fail with women. Women that then turn to me, even if I’m in the company of other women.
 

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Jitterbug said:
Like Amanda the 39 year old stripper?
Actually she is a 36 year old women that most 20-somethings wish could be as hot as.
 

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potato said:
Actually it was the realization that I’m not normal that prompted me to write this thread. It was after a series of men expressing their fondness for my girlfriend, over a short period of time, and a number of reports from people that she is not tempted by other men, that she always tells everyone how wonderful she thinks that I am. I kept thinking about how it is that I have repeatedly found myself the object of affection of women who I never hit on while those women are fighting off other men who come onto them.

That’s what the title, view from the other side, is in reference to. Seeing men fail with women. Women that then turn to me, even if I’m in the company of other women.
That's because your girlfriend is in a lesbian relationship with you. Give it up, if you really were a man standing next to your girlfriend guys wouldn't be hitting on her hardcore like you claim in the first place.
 

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This is the first post I've read of potato's and I must say, he likes to shake the hornets nest. Although your style is confrontational and blasphemous to this community, I believe that all real truth start out as blasphemy. So I try to read into your arguement with an open mind.

However, your advice deals with absolutes - How the advice from this site will absolutely not work. How the advice given by the prominent users of this forum is absolutely false. How taking advice here will absolutely end in failure. Realize this site is many things to many people. Your advice is as absolutely correct as mine, STR8UP, or any other member - if it works for who ever takes the advice. I think every member takes advice here with a grain of salt. And if it works for him, great....let's run toward it! If it doesn't work...let's run from it! Pretty simple.

All of these seduction styles, including yours of 'just being yourself', will work on some women, and not others. No one style is guaranteed a happy, divorce free marriage with all women. If it were that easy, the American divorce rate wouldn't be 63%. Yet, you shoot down SS, DeAngelo, and the rest? In all honesty, with personal experience, this stuff works for me - in the situation I need it for. And that was to increase my seduction IQ and understand the mistakes of my past when dealing with women. This forum to me is like a salad bar. Somedays I like bacon bits, somedays croutons, somedays people encourage me to try blue cheese dressing, somedays thousand island. If its tasty...I eat it!

I'm in a state where I don't want a relationship now. I don't want to be married yet, and I enjoy the permiscuous benefits from the insite I've received on this forum. So to say it doesn't absolutely work - you're wrong friend.

I will give you this:

potato said:
Relationships with women should never be power struggles, they should be cooperative efforts.
Very True.
 

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Connect4 said:
Dude, how do you know so much about Lesbian relationships? You don't have to believe everything he says man, don't need to bag on him though..

Maybe because it amuses potato to see all these fools get shot down...Or maybe it's because it doesn't even affect him...if it were me and I had a girl friend who was being hit on by a bunch of afcs, i would careless.
If your girlfriend is smart, and you're smart, both of you would know whether the guy hitting on your girlfriend even has the goods to take your position.
Potato is a troll posing as a man on here. And even if potato isn't really a lesbian and is a male, potato just post a bunch of ridiculous claims and beliefs about PU. Maybe you are unfamilar with potato's ridiculous posting history and should read this post history or maybe you're just naive. You're suppose to be at least 25 to post in the MM. Anyway, if you want to believe potato's stories and think they're of any use have at it, but I'm going to challenge potato on the ridiculous points (s)he makes.
 

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potato said:
Actually it was the realization that I’m not normal that prompted me to write this thread. It was after a series of men expressing their fondness for my girlfriend, over a short period of time, and a number of reports from people that she is not tempted by other men, that she always tells everyone how wonderful she thinks that I am. I kept thinking about how it is that I have repeatedly found myself the object of affection of women who I never hit on while those women are fighting off other men who come onto them.

That’s what the title, view from the other side, is in reference to. Seeing men fail with women. Women that then turn to me, even if I’m in the company of other women.
I cant imagine a time in my life where someone would have had the balls to tell me they were going to make a move on my GF. Clearly, respect is something you dont have in your social circle.

I dunno man. This sounds like some dyke is writing this ****. Too much oestrogen in your posts I am afraid. They lack congruency, at least from a males perspective.
 

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Connect4 said:
Currently, I am trying to treat all women the same, whether they are hot or not. Is that kind of what you were trying to say? Why don't you hold this anymore idea anymore? Talking to a women like you already know her is a great way to connect, I don't see why you would abandon this approach...
I didn’t abandon this approach. It’s just that I’ve come to realize that some women are much more worth keeping around than others.

You know the reason for this hahah, i was wondering if you could explain how you're doing this?
I think that it has more to do with the image that I project more than anything.

Maybe because it amuses potato to see all these fools get shot down...Or maybe it's because it doesn't even affect him...if it were me and I had a girl friend who was being hit on by a bunch of afcs, i would careless.
If your girlfriend is smart, and you're smart, both of you would know whether the guy hitting on your girlfriend even has the goods to take your position.
Exactly I am a very social person as is my girlfriend. As such we interact with a lot of people. . If I was the type that got jealous I’d be fighting all the time.
 

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ketostix said:
Potato this is how a woman lesbian picks up another woman, and that's not how it works for males. All those guys are striking out for two reasons, 1. They're pedastalizing the girl. (which by the way is something we recommend never to do)


Men should definitely not pedestalize a woman. Actually, I think it's against the law.



Cheers!
 
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