"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Utterly Confused Like Hell

Pathgen

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So i met this girl she seems like a nice girl in person and we get along ok. I kind of have a sarcastic dark sense of humor naturally so using it will be natural.

Anyhow so she messages me and she is messaging me in a way that i have never had a girl message me before. Its actually quite insulting at times. Here is an example (we were gonna carpool to a party and she got held up at work for an extra hour)

Her: Hey loooosserr


Me: wow your such a nice person, go lie in a ditch

Her: Hey *****, if you wanna leave now you are welcome to. I know I said one and now I feel bad but if you wanna head down there early, we can just drive seperately

I get the vibe that she is joking around because she doesn't hate me in real life. She also likes to touch me a lot and she invites me to do stuff. I just get ****ing confused with this because she seems so nice and a good girl, but she sort of treats me in a way that can be negative at times. I dont let her know it and ussually don't let her get away with it. However, sometimes when i say something back she gets all hurt and i feel bad about it. EVEN then though i don't apologize i just kind of lay off her for a bit.

Its confusing never met a girl like this before. She is kind of a tomboy, but at the same time im like WTF.

So any advice, comments, questions, concerns? I will honestly say im not interested in a relationship with this girl cause she seems weird but i want to know how to handle it because i can't have her or any other girl bad talking me in a group, then when i reciprocate i look like the bad guy cause i made a girl sad (which happened last night).

Oh also last night she drops this line in a conversation "Your like the annoying brother i never had except...." she wouldn't let me know what came afterwards. So i know i have been friendzoned for sure which at this point is kind of the way i want it.

Thanks
-Path
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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PectoralisMajor

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you have not taken CONTROL of her or your relationship, which is why you are confused. However, sounds like she is NOT compatible for you anyhow...

e.g. when she says 'hey loooooser' - yes its kind of funny, but not really. there are better ways to be funny without potentially insulting someone ! get my drift....

ok so you've not done anything needy or baaaaad, but at the same time you have been friendzoned ( your words) and you also dont want a relationship with her, so who cares??

just have fun with her, and remember, sure have fun, but dont ever insult a girl or be nasty back. its what 17 year olds do.
 

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Im not flat out insulting her dude. What i do is basically a neg. I never put her down in an obnoxious way that isn't even in my nature.

I guess im curious how do i take control of this relationship or any other relationship that comes up similar in the future.

Haha, but i am 18 so i dont need to act much more mature than 17 year olds...
 

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RE:I guess im curious how do i take control of this relationship or any other relationship that comes up similar in the future.

a woman needs to be shown or calmly told what is and what is not acceptable with regards to her actions and behaviour. otherwise they WILL run riot on you.

Your only 18, which is a tricky time for relationships, girls will mess you around at this age, play games, as will the guys back. Later in life there are similar games, however less severe.

the key to woman is to have fun with them, dont be self conscious, and take control in a non controlling way
 
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