"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Using Zen to Score

GiveMePoontang

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"What is Zen?" you may be thinking right now. Or possibly "How can Zen help me score?" Regardless of what you're thinking, I guarantee that applying Zen to your life will have you literally knee-deep in puzzy in no time. First, let me state for the record that I am not talking about this in order to try to sway anyone's religious beliefs. I have no interest in converting anyone. The only reason I am sharing this information is to enable men to get loads of puzzy.

First, let me briefly explain a little bit about Zen for those who are new to it. Zen is short for Zen Buddhism. It is sometimes called a religion and sometimes called a philosophy. Choose whichever term you prefer; it simply doesn't matter. Asking the question "What is Zen" basically can only have an answer that would make sense if the question was phrased as "What is the essence of Zen?". Historically, the essense of Zen has been explained in seemingly mundane statements and questions like "Wash your bowl" or "Have you eaten yet?". The question cuts right to the heart of the matter and can only be answered by you. Perhaps the best answer is "practice".

When I first discovered this discussion board I noticed a common thread that ran through all the advice being given by the DJs. From tips like "Wait 5-7 days before calling" to "Don't seem too needy." It became clear to me after awhile that the common thread running through the DJ tips seemed to be non-attachment. The more a guy tries to get a particular girl, the more his efforts seem to actually repel her. Conversely, the more un-attached a guy is to the woman, the more attracted she will be to him. This is Zen.

Many of you have probably witnessed this in everyday without even knowing it. Pay attention to what common aspects the guys who pull the most chicks have. By and large, they have a non-attachment to the puzzy that they get. If they lose one chick she can be easily replaced, therefore there is no need to worry. On the other hand, the guys who obsess over getting a certain girl and make her the center of their universe will unquestioningly fail in getting her. What is going on here ? I think a Zen Story would be good here in order to explain non-attachment in concrete terms:

"There is an ancient Zen story of an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. "Such bad luck," they said sympathetically. "May be," the farmer replied.

The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. "How wonderful," the neighbors exclaimed. "May be," replied the old man.

The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune. "May be," answered the farmer.

The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out.

"May be," said the farmer.

What quality does the farmer demonstrate throughout the story ? Non-attachment. He doesn't care about all the ideas, opinions, etc. of his neighbors because he knows that in the greater scheme of things what they have to say is simply insignificant. Understand this and apply it to your dealings with females. Never get too interested in any one girl. Perhaps another story is in order to further drive this home:

"During the civil wars in feudal Japan, an invading army would quickly sweep into a town and take control. In one particular village, everyone fled just before the army arrived - everyone except the Zen master.
Curious about this old fellow, the general went to the temple to see for himself what kind of man this master was. When he wasn't treated with the deference and submissiveness to which he was accustomed, the general burst into anger. "You fool," he shouted as he reached for his sword, "don't you realize you are standing before a man who could run you through without blinking an eye!"

But despite the threat, the master seemed unmoved. "And do you realize," the master replied calmly, "that you are standing before a man who can be run through without blinking an eye?" At this the general bowed sheepishly and left the temple immediately.

Think about that story. Think about the quality that the master demonstrates in his comment. Take this to heart and apply it to your life. Once you begin to understand Zen and you start to see it at work, you will realize just how easy it is to get puzzy and you will be guaranteed to get loads of it. I encourage all the DJs to learn as much as they can about Zen and try to actually apply it to your life. I guarantee that will give you much insight into how to succeed with women. I will leave you with this:

Three points to consider in practice:

1) The situation is not other than your mind
2) Your mind does not choose the situation, but through practice can choose how it's realized
3) Any situation with a chick you want can be realized as an opportunity and be guided to the outcome you want.



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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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hey nice post. where do you get your zen info. i'm currently readin some **** on taoism but it isnt exactly what i expected. i went to a book store today and saw a book called buddism for dummies. i think im gonna get that for starters and move on up. what book have you read an buddism?
 

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Very nice post. Your understanding of Zen is quite impressive.

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It could happen to you, just like it happened to me, there is simply no immunity, there's no guarantee...
 

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Zen for the DJ;

An assertion is Zen only when it is itself an act and does not refer to anything asserted in it.


It's not this or that, it's this and that.
 

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Character said:

hey nice post. where do you get your zen info. i'm currently readin some **** on taoism but it isnt exactly what i expected. i went to a book store today and saw a book called buddism for dummies. i think im gonna get that for starters and move on up. what book have you read an buddism?

I don't consider myself an expert on Zen, Taoism, or Eastern Philosophy by any means. I consider myself basically a student of Tao and by extension, Zen, since Zen is a Japanese sect of Buddhism that formed when Chinese Taoism and traditional Buddhism intermingled. I started out studying Taoism exclusively and later moved into Zen. Anyways, some good books to start out with are:

"The Tao of Pooh" by Benjamin Hoff

"Chronicles of Tao" by Deng Ming-Dao

"ConZenTrate" by Sam Horn

"Scholar Warrior : An Introduction to the Tao in Everyday Life" by Deng Ming-Dao

"365 Tao : Daily Meditations" by Deng Ming-Dao

"Everyday Tao : Living With Balance and Harmony" by Deng Ming-Dao
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Originally posted by GiveMePoontang:
Anyways, some good books to start out with are:

"The Tao of Pooh" by Benjamin Hoff

"Chronicles of Tao" by Deng Ming-Dao

"ConZenTrate" by Sam Horn

"Scholar Warrior : An Introduction to the Tao in Everyday Life" by Deng Ming-Dao

"365 Tao : Daily Meditations" by Deng Ming-Dao

"Everyday Tao : Living With Balance and Harmony" by Deng Ming-Dao
Another good recommendation:

The D'oh! of Homer: The Simpsons and Philosophy

Very intelligently written, and explains philosophical concepts through the Simpsons.
 

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The Three Pillars of Zen is very excellent
 

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Just a comment aside:

I think the message in the first story in non-attachment not to te neighbor's opinion but to the farmer's situation. No attachment to wether I'm in a good or bad situation. It's not good or bad, it is what it is. There is no point trying to be on the high or on the down side.

Ultimately, of course, there is no message in Zen stories, hehe :)
 

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well. it doesn't always work. Why?

Because women can get any man they want. So what if I show non-attachment,she'll just go to another guy. She will get another guy.

So in essence it doesn't matter what I do or don't do. In the end the woman will always just go for another man.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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TheZone said:
well. it doesn't always work. Why?

Because women can get any man they want. So what if I show non-attachment,she'll just go to another guy. She will get another guy.

So in essence it doesn't matter what I do or don't do. In the end the woman will always just go for another man.
thats the whole idea (if i understand it right) a book i read (non-zen related) by pimpin ken said 2 things that made me think "hoes change man like money changes hands" and "dont chase em, replace em" as the OP said everybody wants what they cant have, non-attachment shows whatever female u are talkin to that she isn't #1 on your list and most females (at least nowadays) have been raised to think that they're princesses (i blame disney). so once she notices that she isn't your center of attention shes gonna try to become that, so in essence it doesn't matter if she goes for another guy because she can be replaced! and on the zen thing it seems to me that zen is the art of not giving a ****, am i right?
 
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