Using skillful language to achieve results

[h_roberts]

I was thinking about something after reading many articles and threads. I was looking for the perfect icebreaker to use with a woman who'd normally make me sh1t my pants from intimidation.

So I picture myself approaching an attractive woman at the club, introducing myself and saying "answer a question for me".

her: ok

"Do you know what an alpha female is?"

her answer, yes, no, not sure or whatever...

"OK, so an alpha female is a confident woman with attitude. She alures men more through her attitude than with her looks. She knows what she wants and knows how to get it"...yadda yadda

"Do you know the difference in an Alpha female and a stuck up princess?"

her answer...

"You have a clean slate as of right now, but your assignment is to convince me your an alpha female and not a stuck up princess. Alpha females are sexy, stuck ups are a turn off and always wind up being used by men. I dont mess with girls like that. Look for me later and if you have me convinced, I'll let you have a dance".


OK, so look, I can see my self bumbling such an exchange, but I actually think I can make real game with something like this. I just gotta do it naturally and with assertiveness.

But more important than the topic, I can see this just flooring a girl. I'm making her think, dropping the ball in her court, suggesting that its HER job to win me over. I'm also using powerful words of suggestion, like "I'll *LET* you have a dance". Planting the subliminal that I'm the one to be desired, not her.

So, what do you guys think? If I can make a conversation like this flow, I can see the hottest b1tch in the place dripping for me.

 

[Jitterbug]

Good luck with your clever lines. Chicks leave their brains at home & are ADD to the max when they go to clubs. Also, it's gonna be so noisy in there that all you'll likely get is a "Huh?" They probably won't stand around by the time you finish that lengthy speech. Besides, that's a really weird approach. You might catch the curiosity of a few, but most will give you a "weirdo" look.

 

[h_roberts]

Good luck with your clever lines. Chicks leave their brains at home & are ADD to the max when they go to clubs. Also, it's gonna be so noisy in there that all you'll likely get is a "Huh?" They probably won't stand around by the time you finish that lengthy speech. Besides, that's a really weird approach. You might catch the curiosity of a few, but most will give you a "weirdo" look.

Well maybe I should make it shorter and sweeter.

BTW, the place I approach at this particular club is outside while smoking. Too, I might spark some girls interest if I make it more of a playful conversation in a group, not so much a direct conversation with one girl. And then, pick the girl who seems most receptive to the topic and challenge her.

I don't know, it DEFINATELY would have to come across naturally and FUN, not lke I'm giving a psychology lecture. That would be boring and yes, wierd.

 

[##17]

If you have to ASK whether you'd think it'd work for you or not, the answer is no.

 

[( . )( . )]

Sorry, but a 35 year old man should not be using rehearsed and "witty", intellectual wank lines.

Your most definately at the age where women should no longer make you "sh!t your pants", in fact you should be feeling superior to all (kind of like you would with a child), where your presence is a gift itself.

Hell you can get away with a burp in her face as an introduction, your words count for zero anyways in this game.
In short I've found "skillful language" to be as exciting to her as reeling off all the different cheeses of world, unless her names Morticia and yours is Gomez.

And please dont say "Alpha Female" again, here, out on the town..anywhere. It's just too gay.

 

[h_roberts]

OK whatever dude. I appreciate your comments, but you have no idea what I've been through in life. I went through a bad marriage and divorce that ripped my confidence from me. I was never the type man to go out of my way to flirt with women in the first place. I was happy to settle with the first attractive woman that I clicked with. I'm a tad bit on the nerdy side, and very conservative in my upbringing. But at this stage in my life, I'd like to have a little fun with some attractive women who are the type I always jerked off thinking about. I admit, I am underdeveloped in the realm of wooing women, but that is why I'm out there, learning and doing my best to get some ballz.

But your points are taken, though.

 

[( . )( . )]

OK whatever dude. I appreciate your comments, but you have no idea what I've been through in life. I went through a bad marriage and divorce that ripped my confidence from me. I was never the type man to go out of my way to flirt with women in the first place. I was happy to settle with the first attractive woman that I clicked with. I'm a tad bit on the nerdy side, and very conservative in my upbringing. But at this stage in my life, I'd like to have a little fun with some attractive women who are the type I always jerked off thinking about. I admit, I am underdeveloped in the realm of wooing women, but that is why I'm out there, learning and doing my best to get some ballz.

But your points are taken, though.

Looks to me like women still have alot of power over you. I'd be scratching all this other crap until you get that sorted out, namely taking back that power and giving it back to yourself. (Read: Inner game)

Shang Tsung that b!tchs power back to yourself, right in front of her, why not go all out?

 

[Warrior74]

If your are slighty nerdy and underconfident then you definately need to leave the lines at home. Nerds spitting lines is extra lame. you need to be yourself and work on improving yourself first and formost.

You need to hit the gym 3 times a week. Get under some weights.

You need to work on being social. Not picking up women...just expanding your social circle, networking and talking to people. Talk to people everywhere you go.

You probably need a makeover. New hairstyle, some new fresh clothing and shoes. get some female input on stepping up your wardrobe.

Do afformations and meditation to help build up your inner game. Look at your past and learn from your past mistakes. Figure out what those mistakes are and vow never to fall into that trap again.

Work on the basics first before you go out and start spitting cheesy lines. Fix the packaging first, then make sure you have a good product to sell...then put it out there on the market. Get me?

 

[h_roberts]

If your are slighty nerdy and underconfident then you definately need to leave the lines at home. Nerds spitting lines is extra lame. you need to be yourself and work on improving yourself first and formost.

You need to hit the gym 3 times a week. Get under some weights.

You need to work on being social. Not picking up women...just expanding your social circle, networking and talking to people. Talk to people everywhere you go.

You probably need a makeover. New hairstyle, some new fresh clothing and shoes. get some female input on stepping up your wardrobe.

Do afformations and meditation to help build up your inner game. Look at your past and learn from your past mistakes. Figure out what those mistakes are and vow never to fall into that trap again.

Work on the basics first before you go out and start spitting cheesy lines. Fix the packaging first, then make sure you have a good product to sell...then put it out there on the market. Get me?

Thanks for the tips, but when I say "slightly nerdy", I don't mean I wear horn-rimmed glasses and a pocket protector. I do work out, and I was in the Army for 4 years and have a muscular frame. I'm not at all anti-social. As I've said before in another thread, I've gained respect from some of my friends whom I've gone out with for being fearless in approaching women. But most women I approach I would call second tier...7,s 8s...girls that are usually friendlier and more likely to accept me on their level. It's the 9s and 10s, with store-bought boobs and rock hard abs that intimidate me a bit. Not that I even need that type of woman, but I wouldn't mind getting over the "fear" of them.

When I say nerdy, I mean I sometimes let myself talk about things GUYS would be more interested in than women, especially techy guys. A platinum blonde with 3 inch heels and a cute little black dress doesn't give a crap about that kind of stuff. I have a hard time communicating on their level because I am not used to being in their circles or in their environment.

But, I think I am improving myself daily and might catapult myself into being accepted by these types. And again, not because I want to BE that type. Right now I'm just interested in getting a few fun nights out of the deal.
:crackup:

 

[Outofexile]

Well first of all, you have to realize that, even the hottest woman in the room, no matter how many people in the room, somewhere there is someone who is tired of banging them. That uses, abuses and tells them to cook them something to eat and "maybe" they will give them some. Basically, everyone is just flesh and blood and has very bad traits that would turn you off. Now maybe you dont know about those traits until later but they are there, lurking behind the surface.

So the short is that shes a woman, you are a man. She puts her pants on one leg at a time just like the ugly chicks. She bleeds once a month like the ugly chicks. She takes a crap just like the ugly chicks.

The sooner you realize this, the sooner she loses that big S in the center of her chest. Any woman can be gotten by any man (well almost) at the right time. Who is to say that the next time isnt your time?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

You're 'method acting'. Follow a script and wait for a predictable and equally scripted response. You have to think improvisational. If you try to be witty you never are. People promoting Natural Game are really just encouraging a confident improvisational skill.

Also, why are you perpetuating this Alpha - Female garbage to begin with? All you covertly communicate with this is that you believe women can/should be Alpha and men (like you) should accept this as being in any way attractive.

 

[decades]

put me in the "this is lame" camp. I know, it's crowded...

 

[Scaramouche]

Dear H_Roberts,
Despite the criticism,I think you are doing well,of course we can all improve but returns are often not worth the increased effort...you sound good but need to improve your verbal skills and confidence...start assembling catchy lines that you come across,this site turns up quite a few,write them down,remember them...Joke lines are also good...with all the often justified contempt shown Internet Dating sites,one real value that they have is that they help you gather your thoughts on what you are and where you are going,the replies to questions are the same as real life encounters and so you develop your lines and techniques,which you have time to think about,but will come off the cuff later in a real life situation...