"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Use your imagination...Be your own PUA!

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Dude, this is an awesome post!

The way i interpret the poem is this, Carroll was frustrated with his life, his personality and childhood had been stifled, possibly by his father whom he probably relates to in his poem, the little boy slaying the dragon (the way i picture it) is actually him, confronting demons brought about by a childhood in which he was a age old AFC, much like the PUA's of today, he became his own man, used his own mind and conveyed his own thoughts and ideas to evolve into the man he could never have been if he'd had just stayed in line and followed the crowd...a sin a lot of us are guilty of!
As children we look up to the adults around us, if they don't know any better we won't; but there will be that feeling in our gut that there is something more to that. Most people just learn to shut that feeling off instead of following it to see where it leads them.

Most of the guys here know (inherently) that there is something more, that is why we show up here, to seek answers!

-Sapiens


The question, my guess, is what do I want out of my life.

Great Post, thanxs Shezz.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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This is definetly insightful post! Wow, you really get into literature and seem to be able to understand where the writer is coming from. I consider myself pretty intelligent but I've never really thought about a poem or piece of literature with that depth. Of course I haven't really READ all the way through a book in a loooong time.

You definetly have a point when you say that people sometimes come here to get exact answer or rule for a certain situation. I find it hilarious when people think following the exact rules is the only way go about dating/attracting/meeting girls. Some people seem to think if they accidently call someone on the second day instead of the third or accidently give her a nice compliment or whatever, then they've totally messed up all chances with said girl. What people oftentimes forget is that lots of times the rules don't apply, HELL, sometimes it's better to break the rules. What people really need to do is rely on their own intuition and imagination and just go with the flow.

Of course coming here or reading other dating advice forums probably doesn't hurt if you need an idea of what your doing wrong or what to improve on (such as me)! But no RULE is Always the answer to every scenario!
 

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Lewis Caroll wrote "Alice in Wonderland" right?
then's its probably all about drugs. probably LSD. Maybe a bad acid trip.
 

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i mean, ths is the same person who said:
"one pill makes you larger, one pill makes you small, the ones mother gives you don't do anything at all"

say it with me, people, REHAB
 

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Originally posted by Marlimus
Lewis Caroll wrote "Alice in Wonderland" right?
then's its probably all about drugs. probably LSD. Maybe a bad acid trip.
It wasn't a LSD trip........ Alice found magic mushrooms growing out in that dark forest and she was hungry.....the rest well the rest is history
 
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Ok ok I feel you man my post got f**ked up to.

What I see in this poem is a young inexperienced person facing his fears. Fear rears its ugly head in the form of "The Jabberwocky". The boy was being pushed by someone older and wiser to face his fears.

The sword was a tool that aided him it could have been anything but for the purpose of this post I’ll say the sword was "courage".

Now the boy stood up to his fears courage in hand and he abolished them from existence.

That is what the words of this poem spoke to me.........

Some AFC's here could learn a lot from this poem.

Your mind creates fear so your mind can destroy fear.
 

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Originally posted by The_Shezzler
BINGO! Another fine interpretation! Not only can this poem help, as it as just helped you right there but by using your imagination and really seeing something from YOUR point of view, you are taking a huge step forward.

That is how seduction should be viewed, for the Meta-Frame (ie Poem) is SEDUCTION, the boy is YOU, the Jabberwocky are your FEARS, the man is that father figure or wise sage in YOUR LIFE, and the sword isnt just the COURAGE that you possess, but it is the imagination and skills in which YOU ultimately use it!

Sarge On...
No offence but i got my seduction worked out. The poem didn't help me realize anything about my fears. That's just my interpretation.

Honestly I don't have any more fears. The two biggest fears anyone can have is fear of life and fear of death. Two opposite ends of the spectrum but the two ugliest fears that exist. Once you face them both and win all other fears become inconsequential.

Your fears are like a bag of bricks all you got to do is set them down.

I do see what you are getting at though and it is a good point.
 

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I got a question for you shezzler im going to ask you in private so check your PM's.
 

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The Golden Rule

A bold man imitating a coward will sleep with godesses. A coward imitating the bold will sleep alone.

Why people don't realize this, I don't know. Good post man.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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