US soldier throws puppy from cliff

[Francisco d'Anconia]

..He doesn't need to apologise to me, I understand.

If it was what he was supposed to do he wouldn't need to apologise would he? If it was what he was supposed to do, why did someone find it worth recording? If it was what he was supposed to do, would his comrade have said "That was mean." If it was what he was supposed to do why did Marine officials say that the video was "shocking and deplorable".

But there's no need for him to apologise to you because you understand his nature, right?

 

[penkitten]

No wonder the VC hated Americans so much. Freaking cannibal Marines! Baby eaters!!!! I suppose the napalm was just to cook with, eh? Sickos.

dude, killed animals and ate animals...

 

[penkitten]

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/munclefecker/david-motari-myspace.jpg

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj90/munclefecker/david-motari-myspace.jpg

Well, anyone want to make more excuses for his behavior?

 

[penkitten]

Well, anyone want to make more excuses for his behavior?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq9-v7nSPcE

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq9-v7nSPcE

Leave it to a drunken St. Bernard and the Budweiser Dalmatian to settle the score! :rockon:

 

[Nighthawk]

'It's not fair! Another guy shot a dog in the belly and everyone laughed! Damn media! But I'm truly sorry.' hahahahaha!

 

[ChrizZ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is7cIRXFGrw&feature=related

I can't believe how stupid people are. Who gives a fvcking ratsa$$ about some dog in Iraq? Just because it looks cute?

I killed a rat today. I'm gonna put it on youtube. Maybe my video will be on TV soon, too.

Americans must be really bored to make such a big deal out of this...

 

[Quiksilver]

I don't know why people are so pissed. It was a %#&!*% STRAY!!! Get the %#&!*% over it! You know how many people I see get blown away on a regular basis?!?! %#&!*% Man Not only the towle heads out here but my own friends!" Sorry you guys saw that, but it wasn't supposed to ever been shown. Usually what happens is we shoot them. I was being "creative" that day and decided to throw the dog instead. If i could take it back, I would. Either way, I did the dog a favor. Sorry if you can't understand that."

He doesn't want to take it back because he knows what he did is wrong, but because he got caught for it. And this is being a little extreme, but is throwing a Jew off a cliff doing him a favor? People say that those are two different things, but they aren't. The mindset is the same.

This thread is exhausted and I gave up on it a while ago, because there's a clear lack of understanding by both sides.

Personally, I view cruelty itself as bad regardless of who/what it's directed toward. First it's burning ants in your backyard with a magnifying glass. Then it's tossing puppies off cliffs. Next it's harpooning endangered whales in the antarctic. After that it's killing crippled and elderly people. Lastly it's killing everyone else that you don't personally know.

All of that shows a complete lack of regard for life, and a lack of compassion.

I'm not saying to be some flower boy and live life sniffing roses and hugging trees, but there's a gray area called 'being a man' where you can still feel powerful in your own way while at the same time showing respect for life itself.

 

[Aboleo]

Francisco,

You asked:

"If it was what he was supposed to do he wouldn't need to apologise would he?"

Not necessarily for the situation, if he needs to apologise for anything it would be for his joyful expression over the act of killing and not for the killing itself. The killing of the puppy is what I was referring to.

"Why did someone find it worth recording?"

Probably because he was trying to show off and look tough. It was a pretty stupid move on his part if you ask me. If he really needed to keep the puppy quiet and couldn't risk firing his weapon without giving away his position to the enemy, then he could have simply stomped the puppy to death. It would be the most logical thing to do in that situation and what I probably would have done to ensure that the dog was in fact dead. If the dog survived the fall, it would only make more noise down below the cliff and be much harder to reach and eliminate, thus risking the lives of all those in his squad.

"Why would his comrade have said "That was mean." If it was what he was supposed to do?

Because it was mean. I'm sure that little puppy didn't think it was a very nice thing to do, but it sounds to me like killing the dog was something that he was supposed to do, and probably even ordered to do. For example, Sergeant Edward Watson, who actually sent a stray dog from Iraq to his home in Phoenix, AZ was ordered to get rid of the animal or shoot it because pets are not allowed on base.


"Why did Marine officials say that the video was "shocking and deplorable?"

Well, because the video was shocking and deplorable... didn't you watch it?

"But there's no need for him to apologise to you because you understand his nature, right?"

I said that I understood the situation, but I condemn him for taking pleasure in the act of killing and for allowing it to be filmed for future reference (or perhaps enjoyment?). It is for this reason alone that he needs therapy. I never disputed that fact.

 

[Aboleo]

I'm not saying to be some flower boy and live life sniffing roses and hugging trees, but there's a gray area called 'being a man' where you can still feel powerful in your own way while at the same time showing respect for life itself.

People too?

Or do you still think that we have more in common with a plague than with nature...

 

[Aboleo]

It's more like the difference between kicking a pig to death slowly instead of electrocuting it.

Mmmmmm, I like smoked ham.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

mine did and he said it was better with kim-che (however you spell it)

Kim Chi. And kim chi is korean, not vietamese.


and if you wanna talk about killing for fun, NOBODY has ANYTHING on the japanese.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=rape+of+nanking&gbv=2

(seriously, don't click the above link unless you got a strong stomach)

but this is only RECORDED history. people are capable of some sick a$$ sh!t during wars.

 

[ketostix]

Kim Chi. And kim chi is korean, not vietamese.


and if you wanna talk about killing for fun, NOBODY has ANYTHING on the japanese.

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=rape+of+nanking&gbv=2

(seriously, don't click the above link unless you got a strong stomach)

but this is only RECORDED history. people are capable of some sick a$$ sh!t during wars.

That's interesting. And people even within the US, and probably mostly within, use the A-Bomb argument against the US. While not a great thing it probably saved more lives than it took for both sides. Then they springboard that same reasoning into arguments about how the US is so bad and destruction in Iraq. And not that I think we should be in Iraq but definitely not for those reason that we're doing so much wrong though.

 

[Quiksilver]

People too?

Or do you still think that we have more in common with a plague than with nature...

You're so shallow bro.

And since you keep bringing back what I said in the first or second page of this thread about humans having more in common with a plague than nature, I suppose I should back that up since you can't seem to get over it yourself.

I'll use personification to make this easier for you to comprehend:

Picture the earth as a living entity. If one was to view human existence on earth from a human perspective, how would you see us? Without digging too deep into the subjects of global warming, water pollution, toxic waste dumping, deforestation, landfills(the largest in the world is actually IN the pacific ocean), air pollution, and radioactive pollution(a la chernobyl).

Now look at 'nature' excluding humans from the mix.

I can't draw many parallels, can you?

-----

Now, just for you, I'll say this:

Perhaps I overstepped when I said

as a race we keep showing time and time again that we have more in common with a plague than we do with nature.

on page 2. Instead, I'll be a little more specific, so you can quote this as many times as you like:

"as a race, since the industrial revolution, we keep showing time and time again that we have more in common with a plague than we do with nature."

That doesn't mean I hate people. Heck I love people, I work in hospitality right now. That has no bearing on my views of humans as a people though.

--

Can you wrap your head around all that, Aboleo?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

That's interesting. And people even within the US, and probably mostly within, use the A-Bomb argument against the US. While not a great thing it probably saved more lives than it took for both sides. Then they springboard that same reasoning into arguments about how the US is so bad and destruction in Iraq. And not that I think we should be in Iraq but definitely not for those reason that we're doing so much wrong though.

Actually, that is pretty much propaganda (the drop the bomb to save lives theory). The real reason we dropped the bomb is becasue we wanted the war to end BEFORE the frikkin RUSSIANS got their grubby communist paws on japan. It actually probably DID save more lives, but don't be fooled that was the reasoning behind it.

could you imagine a world where japan existed partially behidn the iron curtain?

no godzilla, no toshiro mifune, akira kurisawa, wicked cool japanese porn, catalytic converters...

 

[Aboleo]

You're so shallow.

You remind me of my ex-wife sometimes... no offence.

I can't draw many parallels, can you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDMm9AVo8yE&feature=related



You know, Quick... I would actually agree with you to a certain extent about the industrial revolution and how it has lead to the possible downfall of our civilization. Like you, I see many problems with the world today and how we are treating our little planet. But unlike you, I don't think that the solutions to these problems lie in frolicking through "Imagination Land" hand in hand with a magical leprechaun... it is a little late to turn back the clock on our society. I also fail to see what any of this has to do with a somewhat psychotic individual throwing a puppy from a mountian top (or why that dogs life is equal to any one of the large number of human war casualties, for that matter).

If being a realist makes me seem shallow and unimaginative, so be it.


Peace out, Bro.

 

[penkitten]

Kim Chi. And kim chi is korean, not vietamese.

thank you for the spelling correction
it doesn't matter if it came from vietnam or korea, my father only participated in the vietnam war, and it was over in vietnam where he learned what kim chi was.

 

[ketostix]

Actually, that is pretty much propaganda (the drop the bomb to save lives theory). The real reason we dropped the bomb is becasue we wanted the war to end BEFORE the frikkin RUSSIANS got their grubby communist paws on japan. It actually probably DID save more lives, but don't be fooled that was the reasoning behind it.

could you imagine a world where japan existed partially behidn the iron curtain?

no godzilla, no toshiro mifune, akira kurisawa, wicked cool japanese porn, catalytic converters...

Well that's an additional valid reason, but I still say the USA and Japan both would've suffered mrore casualities before an unconditional surrender by Japan would've happened. Also along the lines of what you said about Russia, the USA had to fill some role of protecting Japanese from revengeful Chinese after their surrendor. Point is dropping the A-bombs wasn't necesarily the bad thing that some people make it out to be and the reason for them to support their claims that the US is always the villian.

 

[bigjohnson]

How about "It was a damn war and we knew they'd fold like a cheap tent".