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She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

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URGENT: I asked for a date, she invited me to a party

mellowmood23

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Ok, so its obvious that you guys are totally against me not calling her. So il call her. I really dont want to do that, but I came here to ask your advice, so I will take the words of the masters.

Is calling today too early, or is that ok?
 

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Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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mellowmood23 said:
. I really dont want to do that
So don't call her. If you don't want to do something and still end up doing it, you might fvck it up. Remember this is a site giving tips on a given situation. If you feel deep in your gut that your decision is best then follow that. As long as you do something about it.
 

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DJDamage said:
Once again be aware that you could still be the rebound guy and this courtship could be short lived.
At the first sign of me being just a rebound to her, she will be flushed faster than a piece of sh*t in a toilette.
 

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mellowmood23 said:
At the first sign of me being just a rebound to her, she will be flushed faster than a piece of sh*t in a toilette.
If you do it right you can still get some wild sex out of the deal even if you are a rebound guy so it ain't so bad. The worst is when you are the rebound guy who is a really AFC who takes a girl out to dinner and drinks pays for it and then, spends lavishly on gifts and always compliments her without her even putting out. Then he wonders why she dumps him a few weeks down the road without even getting a BJ or a fvck.
 

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You know chicks say, the best way to get over a guy is to get under another one. You could be that guy...rebounds are not as bad as everyone seems to think. Unless you're a chump trying to get more out of it than that...but either way, just keep playing it cool and let the cards fall where they may. Sounds like you're doing alright so far.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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So I made the phone call and this is how it went:

Her: Hello

Me: Hello, how are you?

Her: Im good how about yourself?

Me: Im fine. I wanted to thank you for inviting me last night, I really had fun.

Her: Thank you for coming.

Me: No thank you. Anyways, Id like to take you out for coffee either Tuesday night or Thursday night.

Her: Tuesday I got work and on Wednesday I got to submit a paper.

Me: So its gonna be Thursday.

Her: Ya. but call me again cuz my schedule might change.

Me: If it changes, you call me.

Her: Ok.

Me: Alright, have a good night.

Her: You too. Bye.


As you guys can see it was a very brief call. When she said "Ya. but call me again cuz my schedule might change", I think she said that either to test if Im gonna become a wuss and will adapt to her schedule, or its either cuz she wanted me to call her again.

I dont know, but I didnt get a good vibe from it. I felt it was cold.
 

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mellowmood23 said:
Her: Ya. but call me again cuz my schedule might change.

Me: If it changes, you call me.

Her: Ok.
I like how you handled yourself there, never let a girl make you jump through her holla hops. However you could have done a better job with the conversation. It was dull and to the point like a you are making an appointment for a business meeting (going for a coffee on a first date? come on you can think of something better then this right?!) .

In the meantime don't sweat this girl, go out again and get more numbers.
 

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DJDamage said:
However you could have done a better job with the conversation. It was dull and to the point like a you are making an appointment for a business meeting (going for a coffee on a first date? come on you can think of something better then this right?!) .

In the meantime don't sweat this girl, go out again and get more numbers.
I agree with you that it was dull. I could of done much much better. But I will make up for it.

Anyways, I was planning to meet her for coffee for not so long of a time, then invite her out on a proper date on the weekend.

I intend to make this thread as a learning place for all the newbies. They can learn from my trials and errors, weaknesses and strengths, and approaches. I will be posting every interaction with her in details. Im glad I posted from the very beginning because i want it to be an A to Z kind of thing. Hopefully the gurus here will contribute to their fullest with their extensive knowledge.
 

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Is there any way I can fix the mistake of inviting her for coffee? Lets hear your ideas guys.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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mellowmood23 said:
Is there any way I can fix the mistake of inviting her for coffee? Lets hear your ideas guys.
I think I missed something. What was wrong about getting together for coffee?
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I think I missed something. What was wrong about getting together for coffee?
Nothing unless you are unsure in your girl's interest levels. If a woman interest in a guy is sky high, he could take her to have coffee outside in the pouring rain next to a dumpster and she will think its romantic. If you got medium to low interest girl then you need to raise her interest in you and since you alone couldn't do it the first time, maybe you can use the environment you are in to help you the second time. Therefore a coffee date would be deemed boring to that kind of woman (especially an impatient, low attention span North American generation Y) while a more fun activity such as shooting pool in a bar with drinks might change the tide more to his favour.
 

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invite ur friends and it wont be weird. be outgoing and talk to a lof of people. make sure she see's this...this will incease ur social proof and DHV. in fact make sure she see's you flirting with other girls.
 

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I say go on your date alone and get to know her while showing that you're cool dude. You didn't get to have any alone time with her at the party so this is your opportunity to focus on just her. One suggestion, find a cool independent coffee shop and stay away from cookie cutter, Starbucks type stores.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
I One suggestion, find a cool independent coffee shop and stay away from cookie cutter, Starbucks type stores.
Any particular reason for that? Is it about showing her that I have knowledge of the city and cool places that others dont know about?
 

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Any particular reason for that? Is it about showing her that I have knowledge of the city and cool places that others dont know about?
I guess that would work in your favor that way too. I was saying that the independent places can be a bit more conducive for cozy conversation and kino. Smaller booths/tables, candlelight, better music. Basically more romantic than a loud Starbucks with people running in and out and huge groups of loud people just hanging out.
 

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I think you did a solid job, though, of handling yourself with dignity and class and not selling yourself to her.
Thanks fellow brothers for your advice. Your post boosted my confidence.
 

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Update:

Ok guys, I got an update for you. I just got off the phone with the target. I was sitting alone surfing the net when I though I wanna go to the gym. So I remembered that next to the rest the the target works at, there is a place that seems like a gym. Btw, her rest is really close to my house. Anyways, I thought for a sec its not a good idea to call at all, but then what I felt is that I am really really calling to ask about the gym. It wasnt about the girl at all. It was totally about the gym, so I thought its ok to put a lil bend in the rule. Plus, if I was gonna be going to the gym nextdoor, I didnt want to risk her seeing me there and thinking im stalking her or something. So I called and she didnt pick up. After 5 minutes she calls back. This is how it went more or less.

Me: Hey, how are you?

Her: Good good yourself. Im tired though.

Me: Ya you got midterms huh.

Her: Yaaaaaa

Me: Its ok I know you can do it.

Her: Ugh

Me: Anyways I wanted to ask you, this place next door to you, is it a gym?

Her: Ya i think so.

Me: Cool, il go and workout there.

Her: I feel like I wanna workout too.

Me: Then come and lets go workout together.

Her: No, no, Im feeling lazy, and I got work and then later on I will be meeting my ex.

Me: Oh ya, I wouldnt want u coming working out with me, cuz ur lazy and you will drag me down.

Her: *giggles*

Me: Hahaha

Her: Im meeting my ex

Me: Say hi to him.

Her: *giggles* Ok i will *giggles*

He have some insignificant small talk. I was chilled and showed her im not bothered by her ex meeting. I knew deep down she was just trying to make me jealous. Then:

Me: Ok then, I really got to go now. I wanna workout.

Her: Ok, but you have to call me and update me on the gym and tell me if its good or not.

Me: Ok il do that.

END

We did not mention our date on thursday.


After hanging up, I know that there are a couple of things I would do differently, but Im not gonna say what they are before I hear your constructive criticism guys. I dont want my opinions to affect yours. Im going to the gym now, and by the time I get back from the gym, I hope there will be some inputs.

Thanks in advance fellow hunters.
 

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Question, how did inquiring about her having a boyfriend help your game?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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