"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
ur favorite way to start a conversation with a woman?
- Thread starter uturn
- Start date
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
The approach.
When: Yesterday
Where: Coffee shop I've never been to. (Stopped because I saw a cutie I knew go in there.)
Who: The coffee girl behind the counter.
Why: Why not?
How: Didn't have a plan. Just made it up on the fly.
I chatted for a brief moment with the cute girl I knew but she was in a rush and bolted. That left the place empty, just me and the coffee girl. She takes my order and I notice she's eating some hearty looking soup.
Me: "That's some good looking soup you've got there. Smells good too. Is it homemade?"
Her: "Yeah, it part of a diet I'm on."
Me: "Diet? For what?"
Her: " They say if you eat this soup and blah, blah, blah, you can lose ten pounds in 3 weeks."
I was tempted to throw a C+F in here about her weight but wisely opted not to
Me: "You don't look like you need to lose any weight you're skinny."
Her: "Everyone says that but I'm the only one who really knows what my body looks like."
Me: "You mean you're the only one who gets to see you naked?"
Her: Big smiles "Right!"
Me: "Well that girl who just left...I've seen her naked, and she looks great. She's not as slim as you so I think you're doing alright."
Her: Smiles, blushes, laughs
Me: "But if you really want me to give you an educated opinion you'll have to take your clothes off."
Both: Big laughs and smiles.
Her: "You're funny! What's your name?"
Blah, blah, blah.....etc.
Presto, new potential hottie to add to the harem.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
stevey_2000
Senior Don Juan
never be mr nice to a 7-10, take the piss out of the them until they start giving it you back, in reality these chicks love it.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Uh oh, here we go....
Donald Kaufman
Don Juan
lolUh oh, here we go....
read up on the concept of neg hits ogre.
stevey_2000
Senior Don Juan
not necessarily insult her but i like to bust on them eg. there is a girl where i work who everyone likes and who likes to tell her how good looking she is, i bumped into her yesterday and started the conversation with a smile and a polite conversation then it developed into me saying stuff like, "this weekend i'll be making my own dinner, was thinking about getting myself a women to do it for me because all you women belong in the kitchen making us fella's our meals",
followed by a grin to show your only clowning women love stuff like this!!,
anyone else use 'chat up lines' like this?
LucidDreamer
Don Juan
otherwise...
Gym: "are you doing shoulders today?" , "what's your split like?"
Grocery: "are you a vegetarian?", or try a neg hit "GREAT selection of potato chips only 20 grams of fat per serving", to a good looking girl, not a fatty obviously.
to any girl working at a mall who has given you some attention or help "my name's lucid dreamer" with a smile always does the trick.