"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Upset from what I heard in Church this morning...

FM 3321

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So this morning my Pastor was talking about Love and all around me I could see couples sitting there holding each other. He was talking about how he met his wife and he loved her since he first saw her and to be honest his wife is pretty hot. The whole morning all I could think about was the last girl I dated. Whatever that feeling oneitis is came back full force that I almost felt like crying. It was just awful, I thought I was over this girl.

All I felt today was about the last girl I was with and almost wanted to yell out "bullsh!t. why doesn't it work out for me that way?" He said something like showing love is all about showing attention and I guess since my last relastionship was my first one, I really did love her but it seems like trying to follow DJ techniques by not calling her all the time, being ****y funny and other stuff that started the relatoinship, also ended the relationship. Well she left me for another guy but I haven't called her all month since she didn't call me back when I talked to her on New Years day.

Anyway I'm just feel upset today. I feel like calling the girl I used to date and say "sorry, that I didn't show my love enough" or some BS like that but I know it shouldn't happen. I think I'm just writing this out because I'm STILL trying to get over this girl thanks to this sermon I heard this morning. Maybe I should quit going to church. :rolleyes:

Edit: I'm always learning. Can't give up on this stuff.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Originally posted by FM 3321
So this morning my Pastor was talking about Love and all around me I could see couples sitting there holding each other. He was talking about how he met his wife and he loved her since he first saw her and be honest his wife is pretty hot . The whole morning all I could think about was the last girl I dated. Whatever that feeling oneitis is came back full force that I almost felt like crying. It was just awful, I thought I was over this girl.


MILF MILF MILF MILF

One of my fantasies is to have a hot sex with a sizziling 9 or 10'er MILF.... i heard they get extremely HORNY once they get in their late 20's and 30's ;) by then i will get my game 100% up.

MILF's damn they sound satisfying ;)
 

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Originally posted by wolfie
F*ck the pastors wife :D
Damn straight, and make it public, Your REP will skyrocket :D with those church girls.
 

FM 3321

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Yeah, it is a big church. I need to meet some females in the Singles group. I'm laughing because I didn't expect these type of responses to this thread....lol.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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The clergy is sooo out of date these days. However, even on the best of days when I see a few dynamic and pragmatic pastor preaching the virtues of having a go, taking a chance in relationship, it seems that a few jesus freak chicks with chastity belts made of titanium always seem to sabotage it for the rest of us. Ok.. I digress...

Was your chick christian too?? I'm intrigued to know more about PUs in church enviroments and whether the methods pioneered by ASF and SS are applicable!! Incidentally, I stopped going to church at around the same time I started DJing. And that was a while ago
 

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No offense intended, but the guys above who started talking about MILFing and doing the Pastor's wife are idiots.

Hey, I don't think you should stop going to church over this. I do think you should reevaluate some things about your own life, though. Love isn't really that bad of a thing when the people you love are trustworthy to you [it's not a bad thing].

I'll talk more on this later ...
 

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First, to address your concern about being too challenging with your one-itis: I wish I had more experience to give you better advice, but I'm also struggling with the idea of being a challenge and how sometimes we can take it too far. I think the problem is we men are so "all or nothing" in things like this, so we overcompensate for giving excessive attention too early in our AFC days by being a super challenging DJ to the point of driving the woman away. I think another aspect is learning how to adapt to different women, because obviously not all women will be the same, and some may react very nicely to some challenge where others won't like it.

I think one thing that can help matters is to try to be a natural challenge by actually being busy. It sounds like you were basically playing games and acting challenging which she may have figured out, causing her to lose interest. If you are genuinely busy with work, friends, hobbies and even other girls, it would be unreasonable for a girl you are dating to dump you for lack of attention. In that case it was her problem, not yours.

But honestly how sure are you she dumped you for this reason? You may just be inventing reasons why she dumped you instead of facing the real reason, whatever that may be.

Now regarding what your Pastor said: I think he is correct that to build love with a woman you must give her attention and spend time with her. I think that goes without saying. What he failed to mention is that you don't meet a strange girl and give her tons of attention early on. At least not the typical attractive woman who frequently has attention from men. Now with the young wallflower or shy girl who doesn't get much attention or doesn't perceive herself as being as attractive as she really is, giving a lot of attention early on may work very well. As I said above we DJs need to be good at reading people to see what will work best.

A final comment about church singles groups: I made quite a splash in the Catholic singles group of a friend of mine by being the cool, fun, ****y and funny guy that I am now. I'm not even Catholic BTW. I have several of the women in the group quite interested, but like a dumbass I didn't ask for phone numbers like I should have and so I haven't been able to move forward with any of them (beyond the group flirtation I've done.) To make matters worse the sister of this friend who introduced me to this group is totally in love with me after I got a little too seductive with her. She is OK, but I'm just not as into her as she is into me. But now I have this awkward situation and possibly no way to get back into the Catholic singles group.

But anyhow, the point is church singles groups can be a great way to meet some quality women, and if you are even a little bit of a DJ you will be so different and better than the inevitable AFCs in the group that you will do very well. As an example, one guy in the Catholic group (who could be a total DJ if he learned the skills) has been pursuing this one girl for months using lame AFC tactics. I on the other hand had her totally interested after a few hours of contact. I did the same with another girl this same guy had tried to get with earlier (but who blew him off.) Keep in mind that on paper this guy has more reasons for these girls to be interested in him than me (he is Catholic and Hispanic like them for example, where I'm a protestest white guy who can only speak extremely basic Spanish.) Attitude makes such a huge difference, and "good little church girls" who should in theory respond well to AFC crap are just as attracted to the DJ mindset as any other women.
 

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don't forget you paster is older and he most likely found a woman who respects him with ease.

In his day it was simple for him to find a good woman. Most where not as jaded or feminized

In todays world, you will be **** out of luck to find a woman like that.

You need to keep nexting over and over again until you find a girl that shows High Interest. That's all it is - a numbers game.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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@MrCode.......


It wasn't like I was dumped but more like the relationship fizzled out. Keep in mind that this was my first "relationship" but wasn't sure what it was until it was over. It was like towards the end when I called her she was busy with something so I backed off and let her do her thing. This girl is also my sisters best friend and my sister didn't know about our relationship but one day my sister told me that this girl liked some other guy and named him. Anyway, I was very upset but kept my cool with a bucket of ice water.

So to be honest I'm not sure why she lost interest in me. I would love to call her up and talk about it but I don't think it would be helpful in anyway. I did ask her in December why our relationship fizzled out and she said she just wanted to have fun, and focus on school.

So anyway listening to that sermon and knowing that Valentines Day is coming up at the same time just seemed to throw my emotions for a loop. I just felt like picking up my cell phone right there in church and confessing my love to my ex and apologize for breaking her heart if I did. That's what I felt but I promised myself not to contact her unless she contacts me. Not that I'm trying to wait for her to call but more like the method I need to use to move on from a girl that's lost interest in me.

The sad thing is that I can't really get any comforting advice from my friends since they they always come to me for female advice. Also my best female friend loves to give me advice but too bad she's a girl but I do get alot of insight on how beautiful women think because she's one of them. They never seem to know what they want.


So anyway, I guess I'm just frustrated because I think myself and most guys grew up thinking that they'd go through High School, go to College, meet their future wife, graduate, make alot of money, get married, have kids and live happily ever after. For me it seems like church and my parents gave me that idea and it's funny because life doesn't go that way. So sometimes you get upset at life when you feel you've been misled but since life is in your hands you can only blame yourself and vow to improve your life for you. I know that's what we're all doing here.

I was listening to David DeAngelo's Dr. Paul interview and Dr. Paul mentioned that men grow up these days with no form of initiation for life. He said that learning stuff like we're learning here is like initiation for life where we go from being a boy to a man. So sometimes we get frustrated and angry but we have to use that angry energy to make positive changes in our life. Looking back maybe it's a good thing that things didn't go the way I wanted with this last girl. I've always wanted to date a girl that was a "9" in my eyes and it was great.
 

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Ahh, the Christian-DJ paradox rears its head again. I love helping out with this one since I experience it first hand all the time. Let me qualify myself here for a second though, my mother was (and is) a devout Christain and instilled a respect for this in me. My father is an equally fervent secular humanist athiest and is the source of my questioning nature and critical thinking skills. Needless to say my parents divorced in my childhood. However, I do believe in Christ and christian principles, though I would call myself a 'christ-follower' rather than a capital 'C' Christian (especially these days).

I can totally relate to the situation with your pastor and the 'love' sermon. Any coincidence it's so close to Valentines Day? Hmmm,,... Let me give you a frame of reference though. I've found that after attending churches regularly for the last 8.5 years of my marriage that about 90% of Christian men are complete and utter AFCs. Every married guy I know is totally beholden to the whims of his wife's moods and conditionalities, and every single guy I know has an acute ONEitis and soul-mate sickness. I've also expereinced that the church tends to doctrinally encourage this faith-driven ONEitis while contradictionally expecting men to 'be men'. It frustrates the married guys because they see all of this attention and effort going out with little reciprocation from their wives and confuses the hell out of the single guys because all they see is female condtions and expectations as their only means to getting laid in marriage.

I grind my teeth at this regularly because our pastor is equally an AFC that has been married for 13 years. He met his wife at a religious youth camp and they married at 18 & 19 years of age. Whenever he gives a sermon regarding love or sexual relations or the responsibilities of each gender, he consistently depreciates ANYTHING masculine while putting women and every feminine characteristic on the highest, unreachable pedestal you can imagine. I can't watch TV anymore for exactly this same reason, every masculine characteristic is a male-deluded subject of ridicule in every sit-com, every commercial and every kid's cartoon. And while our pastor is terrific and inspirational on pretty much any other subject he teaches on, he always falls back to the AFC sterotype when speaking about men and women.

It's like nails on a blackboard for me when this topic rolls around (usually in Febraury) because I met my wife at a club when I was playing in a less-than-religious band at the time. She and I got after it on our 3rd date and lived together for about 4 months before I decided to propose to her. Both of us had been through horribly damaging previous relationships in our 20's as well as casual one-nighters. We've learned from experience to have healthy and mature expectations from each other. But we didn't meet at church camp and relating this to our church friends is awkward at times because we do have an enviable relationship together. One of my best friends married an (IMO) unappreciative single mother from church and is just now learning what it means to marry such a woman. I made every attempt to get him to man-up and avoid this, but his attitude was of the ONEitis variety and that at 30 he expected himself to be married by this time. Ergo, he settled for his current marriage.

I can tell you that marriage and the regulation it represents to most religious minded people is that of expectation and 'normalizing' a person. A relationship is based on faith and "who God gives you" rather than healthy dating and finding the person by discovering what you're about rather than 'doing the right thing'. My pastor frustrates my sensibilities in this regard because he bases his sermons on his only experience from a very brief period of teenage courtship under the strictures of he and his wife's religious upbringings and a 13 year marriage (too early I might add) with 3 kids over that course. I also get a feeling from his wife that she would like him to man-up as well. She tends to repond more positively to the men in our congregation who do exhibit positive masculine characteristics. Not that I think she would ever express this, and not that I think she's unsatisfied with her relationship either, but I can sense that she's internalized her own expectations and attempts to balance them with the constant, placating behavior that her husband displays since it's the only method he's ever used to get her intimacy within the marriage.

So don't feel too put out by your own pastor's sermon. Try to understand what the church is going to promote in its own interests and try to look with a bit more critical eye at the sources who are giving you this feeling. IMHO most churches lean far too much on the feminine side in many aspects. This is due to women's innate need for security (and there's no security like God) and, at least in the case of most religious men, guys are conditioned to acquiesce to what they think is expected of them as their only means to sex, which is marriage. If you do in fact genuinely hold religious beliefs - many guys use this as an 'in' to women their more comfortable approaching - use the morality rules and expectations to your advantage. Never forget that you are the prize. This is so important under any condition, but even more so in a religious context. Your only access to sexual intimacy is marriage, DO NOT SETTLE for anything less than exactly what you deserve for a lifetime. If abstinence before marriage is the rule you intend to live by, nothing will take you to divorce court faster than settling for a woman who becomes asexual after your first or second child. Demand the best. You are providing for her not only financially, but emotionally and psychologically by accepting her terms for marriage. People will tell you life is short; life is loooong, far too long to spend it with a woman who becomes unappreciative of the sacrifice(s) you make for her for the rest of it.

Also, understand that marriage IS the GOAL for religious women. This is the unavoidable truth about every woman you meet in the christian singles arena. Their security need is met through the same means as your sexual need, marriage. The best thing you can do is set yourself up in your own passions and career because that is what they're looking for. They understand marriage is supposed to be for life so they're looking for the best male able to provide for her and her offspring. The better potential you represent the hotter you'll become. Nothing gets religious women off faster than a man's status, a good paying job and his willingness to agree to her terms (i.e. abstinence) for marriage. It is the ultimate win-win situation for her and the ultimate life-gamble for him. Churches look down on premarital sex for a lot of reasons, but maintaining this conditionality is a big one.
 

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Look man...Its a cold world we live in...You cant go around wearing your heart on your sleeve...You gotta stay busy too...Sure, I might get mad about not being with some girl or whatever, but when I go out and get play, I dont care anymore...Its like I told you in that other post man...

And another thing about life, sh1t isnt perfect...Alot of things go wrong, but its better to go through life with scars then go clean...Thats what wrong with alot of people, they try to keep themselves safe and when they try to get at girls, they come off boring as sh1t...Go out and have some adventure, do something so you will have stories to tell...Girls like dudes with a little bit of dirt on them, dont listen to what people on here tell you, trust me...Thats why alot of people on here keep coming up short, cause they dont have anything to tell anyone, so people look at them as uninteresting...Its like that one Jay Z song where he says "In order to survive you got to live with regrets"...I could never understand that, but I see it now...

As far as the Pastor, if he was a true servant of God, God could of given him his wife...I know alot of people that are deeply religious and they pray for things and they get them...There are only 2 ways through life, you can go with God 100% all the way and he can take care of you or you can learn to play the game by the rules of the world, but you gotta go in 100% though, you cant play the fence...

The best thing for you is to find someone that knows how things work and learn from them, cause it will be easier to take things in when its right in front of your face in real life...Coming on here to vent really isnt gonna help anything...
 

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Originally posted by FM 3321
I was listening to David DeAngelo's Dr. Paul interview and Dr. Paul mentioned that men grow up these days with no form of initiation for life. He said that learning stuff like we're learning here is like initiation for life where we go from being a boy to a man. So sometimes we get frustrated and angry but we have to use that angry energy to make positive changes in our life. Looking back maybe it's a good thing that things didn't go the way I wanted with this last girl. I've always wanted to date a girl that was a "9" in my eyes and it was great.
I have that interview too, and I totally agree with what you are saying here. The funny thing about this site is guys are so focused on the goal of getting good with women and getting laid that they do miss the genuine self-improvement that happens. Of course different guys will have different levels of improvement, but in general there is little doubt that we are actually better men for the efforts we make in this area. I sometimes feel like we are keeping masculinity alive, because it seems like a lot of people out there want it dead. But as I've said on other posts, a world without masculinity is a world doomed to fail. The same applies to a world without feminity, because we need a balance. Yin and Yang.

So don't succumb to the lies about "the one" and think of yourself as a loser because you don't have the "love" you seem to think those other people in church have. You don't know what really goes on at home with them. I'm sure many of them have great home lives, but many do not as well. But the main thing is you shouldn't worry too much about what other people have (I believe that is a commandment, eh? Do not covet thy neighbor's house, wife, etc.) Live your own life and make yourself the man you want to be, and when you happen to run across a woman that really suits your fancy, you will be ready to sweep her off her feet.
 
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