"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Update on manager's daughter!

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Okay today my manager gave my friend her daughter's home and cell number. Also she's been telling others at work that her daughter likes me. I don't know why she just didn't give me the number herself. Anyways I think her mom wants her to go out with me because she considers me to be a nice guy who won't try to get her daughter in bed. She told my friend that he's only after sex-when he asked her if she'd hook him up with one of her daughters. I think its going to be weird going out with the manager's daughter so I don't think Iwant to. But what if her mom gets mad or asked why I haven't called her if I don't call?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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just tell her that it will be weird. This is not even a big deal. You dont even see this drama, in... in... in.............in HIGHSCHOOL.
 

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you should do it.
 

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Okay yesterday she came by my work and said Hi. I just said hello and didn't say anything else-I kinda froze. Anyways apparentlt she really likes me and she lesft a note on my car saying to don't hesitate to call-I've had her number for about 3 dayys but I've been really busy.Shes about a hb8. Would going to the mall be a good first date?And maybe a movie afterwards?
 

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Yea, she is definantly interesed in you.

Just act cool, take her 'shopping', and by shopping I mean take her all the places she wants to go ;) then maybe catch a movie after that and see where it goes ;)

Good luck with it all
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Don't take her to the mall on a first date, unless you want to be standing there, holding her Victoria Secret bags.

Since you are fairly new, here is a small list of good first dates:

- mini golfing
- bowling
- coffee or other type of food and drink
- movie (many debates from people on this one though)
- skating rink (ice or roller, whichever one you are better at)

By the sounds of things, she has high interest in you right now. However, just watch out and don't be a "nice" guy all the time to her. That'll get you nothing but a female friend.
 

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I've already waited a few days after I got her number and now my friend says shes like bi*ching at him to get me to call her. If I don't call her that often could she get tired of things and move on? But at the same time I don't want to be calling her a few times each day.I am busy with work and all , but I don't want her to eventually break up with me and say that I don't have enough time for her. Also I think I read somewhere that I should keep the call short and simple. So what should I say the 1st time I call her which will probably today?
 

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Also if I do take her to the mall what am I supposed to do while she tries things on?
 

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Originally posted by trans_am17
Also if I do take her to the mall what am I supposed to do while she tries things on?
That is why you don't go to the mall with her.

But yeah, keep the conversation short and simple. Ask her how things are, what her schedule is like, and ask her out. Just something like:

"Since we are both free *day* we should go *place.*"

If she is acting this way now, that is good...If you don't call her a lot, she'll be anxious for you to call and REALLY look forward to you calling...She won't move on.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Okay, today I finally called her. She said her mom dosen't cars if we go out together. Also she doesn't just like me for my car. We have plans to go out soon when we find a day good for both of us(since we both work). The conversation was okay but there were a few moments of silence where I didn't know what to say. She didn't really give me much to go on and I pretty much controlled the conversation. She said she does want to go out though. How do I get her to talk more so we can have a better conversation? Also she doesn't want me to take her home after the date. She said she lives far out in the middle of nowhere and people dont like going back there.I really want to take her home after our date though. I think shes hiding something there-like something she doesnt want me to see or something.
 

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Also whats a good movie out right now that'd be good for a date?
 

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Also if I end up going out with her, since I work with her mom does that mean I cant mess with other girls who come by the store.
 

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Originally posted by trans_am17
Also if I end up going out with her, since I work with her mom does that mean I cant mess with other girls who come by the store.
The answer to your question is obvious.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Are you gonna ask the people on this board to walk you through this process step by step? Come on man...There is not an excuse for not having something to talk about. Why do you care so much about which movie you watch? If things go the way you want, you won't be watching very much of it anyways
 

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if your so flustered over the date why dont you have something 'come up' on the date day and by yourself som emore time to think, plus it works out because she will start to feel more attracted to you

remeber you always want what you cant have..........that goes for both sexes.
 

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I'm actually thinking about nexting this girl since I feel that we cant even have a good conversation so whats the point,plus I know she doesn't put out. But I keep bouncing back and forth-I'm having trouble deciding. What do you guys thinks? Should I at least give her 1 date to see how things go.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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