Unplugging women from the matrix

[wait_out]

Ok. I'm not really sure how to get into this topic. First, I like the hookup culture -- this isn't just me b*tching. But I'm seeing a lot of problems in the future, because girls just don't understand the consequences of their choices and how they build value to men.

ATTRACTION
1) Their sexual value doesn't age well. That's their initial hook and younger women have the advantage over the older.
2) Career and finances are irrelevant to attraction in most cases.

LONG-TERM
1) Guys value empathy, sincerity, loyalty, support.
2) Guys need a girl who makes them look good and is not a liability -- she demonstrates good judgement, self-control, and enhances the guy's reputation by having deliberately selected him above others.

Some recent experiences. I broke one girl's heart who thought I'd end up committing if we fvcked enough. She was a very sweet girl, wanted a boyfriend ---> partner, and thought she needed to accept casual sex as her end of the deal despite the fact I was clear it wouldn't progress. Ended in tears and I felt pretty bad over the whole thing. Next, I've been watching a very young girl (she was 17 when I was introduced and lied about her age to me) turn into an ego-monster over the last 1.5 yrs. She is not that smart and quite impressionable, but a fairly normal girl from what I know. Anyway I suppose her peers got her into drugs, partying, and the dysfunctional sexual drama of that wanna-be rockstar lifestyle. She is not cute enough to get away with that indefinitely. Finally, I know a number of mid-late 20's girls with advanced degrees who can't seem to find a guy with the qualities they want -- they are not party girls but I think they end up in one-night stands (I can't say if these develop into fvcked-up relationships because they're just lonely) and NSA situations because they can't bear to choose their partners deliberately.

I don't think anyone would seriously debate the list I made above is true in most cases. Rational conclusions are;
1) Girls need to prioritize serious relationships when they're still young. Men view feminine beauty as a finite resource and they want the best years of it for themselves. It cannot be bought back.
2) A woman needs HIGHLY positive character qualities to have value beyond her kitty and give a man a reason to stay with her -- that is, she makes his life better and eventually will raise functional & capable children. Otherwise, she is replaceable.
3) Girls with a stellar reputation bring more to a guy's life. It also indicates more trust in her partner (and likely more consequences for fvcking her over).

So: what's the worst possible advice we could give women?
1) Don't worry about getting old;
2) Always put yourself first;
3) Being a slvt is empowering.

I just see these lives of misery ahead for these poor AFC/beta girls, they get no good advice from anywhere. I feel like they're victims of cultural forces which they can't grasp, and won't, until they're unhappy and alone. However -- we do.

Men have always gone to bat when it's time to change things. Women obviously won't, or can't. It wouldn't be the first time in history that generations were sacrificed in the name of a social experiment but that doesn't mean we have to accept our fate like cattle, or let the same thing happen to girls who we may never trust but -- I'll say it -- still wish we could love.

How do we turn this ship around boys?

 

[zekko]

I kind of get sick of Matrix references, since they're so played out. But whatever. Guys have forums like this to help them try to unplug from cultural expectations. Maybe girls need their own movement. They would likely see any retreat from feminism as going backwards though, so I'm not going to hold my breath.

I just see these lives of misery ahead for these poor AFC/beta girls, they get no good advice from anywhere.

I like that expression, AFC/Beta girls, I've never heard that before.

Honestly, I could see women's reluctance to go back to a state where they are more reliant on men. There are so many guys that are dirtbags and only want to use them for sex that they would probably be placing themselves in harm's way. I think part of the reason feminism rose in the first place is because of men's failures. Enough of them threw it away on alcoholism and becoming abusive that they helped drive the women away. It was men's responsibility to lead effectively, and they did not.

 

[squirrels]

Like men, women have to WANT more for themselves before they can "unplug". Like Morpheus says, "The mind has trouble letting go".

 

[Poonani Maker]

Women are not massively affected by the economy as much Yet. When their funds for their perms and makeup shrivel up on the vine, they'll be sh!t up a creek in their self-proclaimed wisdom and ability to make decisions as well as any man can. Then they will truly become wh0res that they were meant to be. Nature always prevails over any social construct.

 

[sodbuster]

IF we tell them, they won't listen-they are so proud of not listening to a man that it will be like teaching a pig to sing. You'll waste your time and irritate the pig. I think they'll need to learn the hard way.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

How do we turn this ship around boys?

Why do you want to? Seriously? What's in it for you to save humanity?
It's one thing to try and turn ONE FEMALE around, but the whole female gender?

 

[Luthor Rex]

How do we turn this ship around boys?

I do agree that things need to change. I'm not going to sit here and say I know how that can happen, because I don't.

However, I will say this because I think men need to keep it in mind: it took something like 30+ years for feminism to get as huge as it is now. Which means, even if we can make change happen I think we need to be realistic about the time-frame we are looking at to make that happen.

 

[wait_out]

I've been tracking public chatter and I'm pretty sure this issue is going to be at the forefront of the public consciousness, everywhere, in about 5-10 years. Smart women like Kay Hymowitz & Charlotte Allen have picked up on this ahead of the curve, good bloggers like Whiskey have as well.

What's going to be different from the typical female b*tching is that instead of whining "where have all the good men gone", the question asked is going to be "what did we do to our men?".

Very interesting post. These are all thoughts I have had lately. As a new Mother raising daughters and a wife of over a decade I have been having this crap shoved down my throat for years. I was mocked and pittied when I married right out of the first year of college....however, the majority of my friends are unmarried or married late and are already divorced.

I am tired of being told that older women are "vital" and that younger men are dying to sleep with them. That waiting until you are nearly middle age is the best bet for an "equal Marriage" (ah no, all the best guys are gone...married early or to YOUNGER women..you can only marry way older then).

Now all I see is a bunch of friends who bought the lie and are horribly angry and don't even want to be around me...because they realize their time may have passed.

TV is a waste of time targeted for sad and bitter people who are clinging to a lie.

Many Blessings
Ace

Let's change the nature of the discussion a little, and concentrate on ONE woman. Imagine you had a sister or daughter who respected and listened to you, but also was fairly deep in the grip of female cultural expectations. How would you go about trying to bring her back to earth before she ends up mid-30's and bitter?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Imagine you had a sister or daughter who respected and listened to you, but also was fairly deep in the grip of female cultural expectations. How would you go about trying to bring her back to earth before she ends up mid-30's and bitter?

That dilemma is so old (how to convince the youth of the wisdom of experience) that there's even bible stories about it.

The best way to do it would be like in that old documentary "scared straight" where at risk kids were taken to prison and lectured by hard convicts. Only bitter, old women that realized they took the wrong path can convince younger women not follow in their footsteps.

Everyone has their own life to live and their own experiences to go through and lessons to learn. I say let em, and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[PappyS]

That dilemma is so old (how to convince the youth of the wisdom of experience) that there's even bible stories about it.

The best way to do it would be like in that old documentary "scared straight" where at risk kids were taken to prison and lectured by hard convicts. Only bitter, old women that realized they took the wrong path can convince younger women not follow in their footsteps.

Everyone has their own life to live and their own experiences to go through and lessons to learn. I say let em, and let the chips fall where they may.

Except that in this case it is older people who are deceiving younger people. It isn't 22 year old women who produce all these television shows or own these TV networks. It isn't 22 year olds who control the media.