Universal Truth

[The Duke]

I saw this on another forum and thought it was one of the most important things I've learned about keeping a woman attracted so thought I would post it here for the guys trying to learn this game. It has been the case without fail for every single girl I've been with.

When you look at their history they did not care the most about guys who gushed all over them and treated them like a princess. They cared most about the guys they had to work for.

-Don't give your power away to a woman by acting like a woman.
-Keep your power by caring less about the relationship than she does.
-Always remain a slight challenge.
-Keep that carrot dangling in front of her.
-Ask her to do chores for you. Reciprocate only 40%.
-Don't return every text message. Let her initiate most of the texting. Keep your replies shorter than hers.
-Mix up your response times to her texts.
-Keep her hamster wheel spinning.
-Make her go out of her way to see you.
-Get her to invest in you.
-Make her work for your attention.
-Turn her down.
-When she starts whining about you not caring enough, ignore most of what she says. Its all noise. She just wants to hear herself talk. Women talk so they can feel better about themselves, men talk to resolve problems/gain understanding.
-The girls that have been super crazy about me frequently called me a "D!CK".

 

[wifehunter]

If you have frame, those things are automatic. No effort necessary.

 

[btownbuck2012]

I saw this on another forum and thought it was one of the most important things I've learned about keeping a woman attracted so thought I would post it here for the guys trying to learn this game. It has been the case without fail for every single girl I've been with.

When you look at their history they did not care the most about guys who gushed all over them and treated them like a princess. They cared most about the guys they had to work for.

-Don't give your power away to a woman by acting like a woman.
-Keep your power by caring less about the relationship than she does.
-Always remain a slight challenge.
-Keep that carrot dangling in front of her.
-Ask her to do chores for you. Reciprocate only 40%.
-Don't return every text message. Let her initiate most of the texting. Keep your replies shorter than hers.
-Mix up your response times to her texts.
-Keep her hamster wheel spinning.
-Make her go out of her way to see you.
-Get her to invest in you.
-Make her work for your attention.
-Turn her down.
-When she starts whining about you not caring enough, ignore most of what she says. Its all noise. She just wants to hear herself talk. Women talk so they can feel better about themselves, men talk to resolve problems/gain understanding.
-The girls that have been super crazy about me frequently called me a "D!CK".

Thanks for sharing this. I do have a question though for you. How is this possible long term? My experience is that this will eventually push a woman away from you. This absolutely works short term but how do you keep this up for years?

 

[John Constantine]

Thanks for sharing this. I do have a question though for you. How is this possible long term? My experience is that this will eventually push a woman away from you. This absolutely works short term but how do you keep this up for years?

Same question here, how do you apply it when looking for an LTR ?

 

[Dash Riprock]

Same question here, how do you apply it when looking for an LTR ?

It all still holds true except for maybe the texting part. It's ok to text back right away if you've been with someone for a long time. I worked the above principles to a T for years with my S.O. It basically says keep the balance of power on your side, don't turn into a wuss, and be your own man. It's very simple. Most guys get sloppy around the 3rd or 4th month mark and get dumped because they took their foot off the gas and by default became too beta. I kept this mindset in a 9 year LTR. It wasn't until we finally just grew apart that it just ended. No hard feelings. I had hand up until the last day. I just knew what to do to ensure she wouldn't try to take charge and start walking all over me. These are pretty much the Basic Principles of any romantic man-woman interaction.

 

[John Constantine]

It all still holds true except for maybe the texting part. It's ok to text back right away if you've been with someone for a long time. I worked the above principles to a T for years with my S.O. It basically says keep the balance of power on your side, don't turn into a wuss, and be your own man. It's very simple. Most guys get sloppy around the 3rd or 4th month mark and get dumped because they took their foot off the gas and by default became too beta. I kept this mindset in a 9 year LTR. It wasn't until we finally just grew apart that it just ended. No hard feelings. I had hand up until the last day. I just knew what to do to ensure she wouldn't try to take charge and start walking all over me. These are pretty much the Basic Principles of any romantic man-woman interaction.

So you kept playing the game for 9 ****ing years ? I'm becoming soft after 2 months because of all these emotions and the fear of losing her if I'm too distant

 

[Dingo]

Hard to do....

 

[Dash Riprock]

So you kept playing the game for 9 ****ing years ? I'm becoming soft after 2 months because of all these emotions and the fear of losing her if I'm too distant

Don't worry about that. You'll certainly lose her if you become too "close" to her. Hold on loosely. I wasn't running a game for 9 years. It became my mindset and way of life. The girl, a HB8.5 from Croatia, would have thrown herself in front of a train for me.

 

[AJ84]

It's a delicate balance trying to do all of that long term because most of those behaviours leads to her not knowing where she stands, what his feelings are and if it's going anywhere. I think making her work for it is effective as long as 'it' is something that she will feel good about (ie you are providing her genuine affection, emotional support, security etc). If the 'it' she is working is the 'reward' of simply having you physically present then no.
If she's attractive and doesn't know where she stands with you because you are religiously applying all of these aloof tactics, she will move on to one of the many other guys she could easily attract. Women want to feel like they are valued and wanted, they won't stick around for long if they don't feel that. I think you can still hold frame and show that you value her without becoming a beta.

Also - why would any guy or girl do anyone else's chores? Unless you made the mess together, otherwise a grown capable adult should be able to clean up after him or herself and not expect someone else to do it. Imagine dating some girl and you go over to her house and she asks you to do her dishes? What would you think hahaha. What kind of a frame tactic is that??

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

It's a delicate balance trying to do all of that long term because most of those behaviours leads to her not knowing where she stands, what his feelings are and if it's going anywhere. I think making her work for it is effective as long as 'it' is something that she will feel good about (ie you are providing her genuine affection, emotional support, security etc). If the 'it' she is working is the 'reward' of simply having you physically present then no.
If she's attractive and doesn't know where she stands with you because you are religiously applying all of these aloof tactics, she will move on to one of the many other guys she could easily attract. Women want to feel like they are valued and wanted, they won't stick around for long if they don't feel that. I think you can still hold frame and show that you value her without becoming a beta.

Also - why would any guy or girl do anyone else's chores? Unless you made the mess together, otherwise a grown capable adult should be able to clean up after him or herself and not expect someone else to do it. Imagine dating some girl and you go over to her house and she asks you to do her dishes? What would you think hahaha. What kind of a frame tactic is that??

AJ84,

I'm curious. What is your motivation for posting on this forum?

-Augustus-

 

[AJ84]

AJ84,

I'm curious. What is your motivation for posting on this forum?

-Augustus-

Is that something you ask everyone who posts here? Why does anyone post here, or on any forum for that matter. An interest in the topics and learning something as well as providing suggestions I guess?

What are your motivations for posting on this forum?

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Is that something you ask everyone who posts here? Why does anyone post here, or on any forum for that matter. An interest in the topics and learning something as well as providing suggestions I guess?

What are your motivations for posting on this forum?

No, it's not something I ask everyone.

What have you learned?

I post here because i'm interested in helping other men.

-Augustus-

 

[AJ84]

You don't ask everyone that question? What's your motivation for asking me then?

I learned that men have some of the same concerns that women have, and the same headaches when it comes to dating and relationships. I learned that one the biggest mistakes a woman could make is to make a man feel less than a man, by belittling him, being critical for no reason, and trying to make him feel bad by bragging about attention she receives from other men.
I also learned that some men are unsure of how to keep frame when they have feelings for someone and want to continue on with that person. Or how best to end it with someone they aren't feeling it with.
It's interesting to read different perspectives on topics and see that not all men have the same attitudes, opinions or approaches when it comes to the opposite sex. People aren't yelling into an echo chamber so there's something valuable to learn, and hopefully I can contribute to it from my own perspective as a female.
So far, no one seems to be uncomfortable or threatened by that so......

 

[sazc]

It's questions like these that make me think it would have been better to lie and say I was a man in my profile.

I get it tho. There are a lot of topics discussed on this site that a man might feel vulnerable to have a woman read.

I'm also starting to feel like the females that consistentIy post on this site, where we aren't inflammatory, antagonistic, etc, might actually be the more sane ones you guys are looking for. The way you tell it, we are few and far between

 

[AJ84]

It's questions like these that make me think it would have been better to lie and say I was a man in my profile.

I get it tho. There are a lot of topics discussed on this site that a man might feel vulnerable to have a woman read.

I'm also starting to feel like the females that consistentIy post on this site, where we aren't inflammatory, antagonistic, etc, might actually be the more sane ones you guys are looking for. The way you tell it, we are free and far between

You're right, I haven't been on the site that long but I imagine every now and again someone posts something to question why women are on the site. I guess to some It seems weird to have a site that discusses female behaviour, female feelings, female thoughts and female motivations where an actual female may post something hahaha I don't know.
There are men who post on 'women's' sites and they probably get questioned for being there too.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

You don't ask everyone that question? What's your motivation for asking me then?

I learned that men have some of the same concerns that women have, and the same headaches when it comes to dating and relationships. I learned that one the biggest mistakes a woman could make is to make a man feel less than a man, by belittling him, being critical for no reason, and trying to make him feel bad by bragging about attention she receives from other men.
I also learned that some men are unsure of how to keep frame when they have feelings for someone and want to continue on with that person. Or how best to end it with someone they aren't feeling it with.
It's interesting to read different perspectives on topics and see that not all men have the same attitudes, opinions or approaches when it comes to the opposite sex. People aren't yelling into an echo chamber so there's something valuable to learn, and hopefully I can contribute to it from my own perspective as a female.
So far, no one seems to be uncomfortable or threatened by that so......

I asked you because you're female.

Thanks for answering my question.

-Augustus-

 

[ubercat]

Agree but also don't forget the doc love principle of not hurting your cause. Don't complain and don't share every minor defeat. Women regard that as things going downhill.

 

[nismo-4]

One big issue I see now is this "Don't care too much" trend.

Guys found out that texting too early or too much causes interest to drop like an anvil. In about 2015, from one extreme to another. Now it's ignore i.e. don't text at all. One extreme is beta and the other is useless. Most guys who use that ignore game aren't Channing Tatum or Lebron James. All that does is show either:

1. We rejected her
2. We're waiting on her to make the first move (how often does that work when she has 10 other guys you're competing against)
3. We lost interest
4. We felt like second place or out of the race.

That's just a long ass waiting game. And pretending your value is far higher than the actual. Worse, she doesn't call back and gets back with her ex.