"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Hey guys! I really need some advice on this.

I'm in a long distance LTR. We talk almost every night on the internet, but we usually set up the meetings during the day through emails. This week she has been late for our meetings twice. Earlier this week she was late for the first time, and by a whole hour, but I just shrugged it off as a one off. Last time she was late by 30 minutes, and she said she was sorry. I said that I'm happy that she apologized, but that I judge people by their actions and I think that it was disrespectful of her to show up late without letting me know. After I said this, she said that she didn't want to discuss that tonight, said good-bye and just left!

I still don't think I overreacted and I have no clue what's got into her. Does anyone have any clue what's going on here?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Radiator said:
Hey guys! I really need some advice on this.


I still don't think I overreacted and I have no clue what's got into her. Does anyone have any clue what's going on here?
It sounds like her interest level has dropped due to her meeting other guys. It's a common occurence with long distance realtionships. Best thing you can do now is to lay low and ppull back and see how she acts.
 

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ketostix said:
It sounds like her interest level has dropped due to her meeting other guys. It's a common occurence with long distance realtionships. Best thing you can do now is to lay low and ppull back and see how she acts.
There probably IS another guy involved. This is what you do when you are in a long distance relationship and suddenly there is a new prospect on the horizon.. A) Don't log on B) Log on real late or C) Log on for 5 minutes then say bye..

In person contact trumps looking at words on a screen or talking for hours via internet phone.
 

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I don't think she's seeing anyone else, but I realize that I might be a little blinded here!

She's trying to turn it around now by saying that I don't care about her since I don't want to wait for her. I hate it when girls turn it around to be about them. It would be so much easier to move on if she just apologized for being late and said it won't happen again.
 

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OK lets just say she is not seeing anyone else but rather her interest level has dropped. You can play the game too.. Why you have to be online waiting for her? Show up late, maybe don't even show up at all and say you fell asleep (chicks love using that line) -- look at how she handles it then report back. To me waiting online for someone means they are worth it. If they aren't being worth it then you shouldn't treat them like they are.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I'd like to stop playing such games, but I will give it a go again. It has worked in the past so...

Btw, what would make it worth it to you to wait for someone?
 

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Shes worth it when she treats you the way you think you should be treated.
Everyones definition of the way they think they should be treated is different.

To me thats not a game. You wouldn't be trying to be shady. You are just reacting naturally to her actions.
 

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Radiator said:
I'd like to stop playing such games, but I will give it a go again. It has worked in the past so...

Btw, what would make it worth it to you to wait for someone?
If her interest level was holding and she were making you happy it would be worth it. Playing games and losing interest just sounds like an uphill battle of annoyance to me.
 

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What got into her was another guy.

Sorry bro but thats the truth.

You are in the rationalizing her behaviour stage because the prospect of this being over is currently too much truth for you to bare.

What you should do immediately is issue a pre-emptive breakup to keep your power and dignity in this awful situation and do it as drama free as possible to avoid burning your bridge should a future opportunity arise such as her or you moving closer to the other for one legitimate reason or another.

What you probably will do unfortunately is hope for the best right up until the point she reveals to you the awful truth she's been taking it in the ass from Mike the fry cook at Mcdonalds who not only has an incredible talent at preparing cardiac arrest causing food but also possesses an 8-inch meaty McTreat she simply can't get enough of.

As for the part about her trying to turn her bad behaviour around on you she is doing this to try and make her imminent breakup with you seem like it is for justifiable and righteous purposes ie all your fault when in reality she is likely taking it in the ass from another guy and doesn't want to be thought of as cheating scum by you and anyone else in your life that knows of her.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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As someone stated on this forum before " there is no such thing as a long distance relationship"................................. Hence your problem. Unless there is a an agreement to be together within a certain period of time.

For me this period of time would be in the very near future
 

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The thing I've learned is that when a woman gets worked up over nothing, something's bothering her that she just won't come out and say. I don't know why anyone does it since you can get stuff off your chest and be done with it, but it happens. Just back away and let her come to you.
 

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Radiator said:
She's trying to turn it around now by saying that I don't care about her since I don't want to wait for her. .
She's consciously or subconsciouslly looking for any excuse to end whatever romantic relationship she has with you. If Brad Pitt told her he was pissed off she was late what would she do?

1. Leave the date
2. Leave the date and ***** Brad Pitt's comment for a week.
3. Get on her hands and knees and beg for forgiveness.
 

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She holds the "POWER OF GREYSKULL"!

You reacted to her being late instead of telling her you were late, too. Or telling her that you didn't even notice. Don't react!

You need to start showing up late, too. 2 can play that game. Who holds the value you here, you or her? If it isn't you, then you better start finding value in yourself.

Also, why even do a long distance LTR? It will end sooner than you think.
 

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Mavrick said:
Also, why even do a long distance LTR? It will end sooner than you think.
When you say setting up meetings. Do you mean a time to chat online? If so........

All the advice you recieve is irrelevent because of the myth you have in your head.

The above statement is accurate. It pains me to see men waste their time in situations like this. I mean come on, your date with her is communication thru a computer.

Think of how silly your being. Do you have concrete plans with her to be in the same area in the future, so you can date like "normal" people. If not concentrate on someone else.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Here's a post by Rollo on it...

Rollo Tomassi said:
It's time to let go of your invisible friend.

There is no such thing as an LDR, because you have no relationship. An LDR simply does not meet the criteria necessary for it to be considered a relationship. There is no reciprocity of anything more than words passing over a phone line or an IM text. Understand me here – you have no relationship. You have self-assumed accountability, self-assumed liability and internalized responsibilities to be loyal to this person, to fidelity to this idealization, and dropping what everyone outside of your LDR will regularly tell you is insanity, is a personal affront and anathema to this stupid and most insidious form of ONEitis.

LDRs are the most easily identifiable form of ONEitis and it would be laughable if it weren't so damaging to a guy's life progression. The LDR man would sacrifice years of his life in this pitiable effort to pursue his 'soulmate' across the planet or even a hundred miles away. The very thought of refuting the idea that an LDR can work is equal to denying his belief this stupid, fantasized ONEitis fueled idealization that he's swallowed for the better part of his life. It’s easy to criticize an LDR in the terms of questioning either party's earnestness and fidelity in entertaining an LDR and this is usually the tact that most people giving advice on LDRs follow. One or both parties are or will 'cheat' on the other over the course of time, its true, but LDRs are far more telling of a mentality that results in much more damaging consequences as a result of deeply conditioned self-expectations and fears.

I can't begin to list the number of otherwise intelligent and ambitious men I’ve known who've drastically altered the course of their lives to follow their ONE. Men who've changed their majors in college, who've selected or switched universities, men who've applied for jobs in states they would never have considered, accepted jobs that are sub-standard to their ambitions or qualifications, men who've renounced former religions and men who've moved across the planet all in an effort to better accommodate an idealized woman with whom they've played pseudo-boyfriend over the course of an LDR only to find that she wasn't the person they thought she was and were depressive over the gravity that their decisions played in their lives.

An LDR is akin to a LJBF, but writ large and festering in a man's life. You play surrogate boyfriend, voluntarily accepting and internalizing all of the responsibilities and accountabilities of being a woman's exclusive, monogamous partner with no expectation of reciprocating intimacy or sexuality. It is the ideal situation for a woman in the same manner a Booty Call is for a man - all sex with no expectations of monogamy or commitment. However an LDR is worse than a LJBF arrangement since it pervasively locks a man into a success or failure mentality with regards to the relationship actually being legitimate. Afterall, she's agreed to be his girlfriend (from miles away) and if he's the one to falter it's his lack of perseverance in this silly ONEitis ego-investment that dooms them. Once the LDR inevitably ends he's the one left with the self-doubt, he's the one beating himself up over wasting time, money and effort and he's the one feeling guilty whether he or she is the 'cheater'.

An LDR is like having an invisible friend with whom you're constantly considering the course of your actions with. Consider the personal, romantic, familial, educational, ambition-wise, business-wise, personally maturity and growth opportunities that you've limited yourself from or never had a chance to experience because of this invisible friend. When you finally divorce yourself from this invisible friend, will it have all been worth it? Guys cling to LDRs because they've yet to learn, in POOK's inimitable words, that Rejection is better than Regret. AFCs will nurse along an LDR for years because it seems the better option when compared with actually going out and meeting new women who are potential rejection. They think its better to stick with the sure thing than risk possible rejection but it's the long term regret that is the inevitable result of an LDR that is life damaging. Nothing reeks of desperation or verifies a lack of confidence more than a guy who self-righteously proclaims he's in an LDR. Women see you coming a mile off, because you are a guy without options. In fact the only reason a man entertains an LDR is due to a lack of options. If you had more plates spinning an LDR would never look like a good idea. And finally, I'm sure I'll see the "not in my case" defense posted here about how you actually DO see your invisible friend once every 4 or six months. To this I'll say again, what opportunities are you censoring yourself from experiencing by playing house with a woman you only see this often? Do you honestly think you're the exception to the rule?
 

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Thanks for you advice guys! I have my reasons for having a LDR with her, even though I would prefer to get rid of the distance. We meet at least once a month, usually I stay for a week when I'm there. Sure, I can't live like this forever, but right now it is convenient for me too.

For me, in LTR:s you shouldn't have to play games after a while. I thought her and I had passed that stage, but maybe I was wrong. Anyway, things seem to be moving the right way again. She has apologized in a very sincere way. Let's see what happens! Even though I might regret it, I need to learn this lesson by myself, I'll stay in this LDR for now. But I might start playing the usual games again.
 

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ketostix said:
It sounds like her interest level has dropped due to her meeting other guys. It's a common occurence with long distance realtionships. Best thing you can do now is to lay low and ppull back and see how she acts.
Exactly.... there are always other men.. and we have limited time to F then its the next guys turn.. A womans respect level is clear inidactor of her interest level..
 
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