"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Uglier chicks, same attitude, wtf?

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I had decided that maybe my standards were a bit unrealisticly high and over the last few years I have been experimenting with approaching different kinds of chicks.
So for a time the chicks I gamed on ranged from the usual hotties down to the chicks who I might give a chance if they were very, very lucky. Here is what I found...

Strange thing is that even though I was essentially 'pretending' to like these ugly girls, girls who should have been glad to make eye contact with me, they didn't react in the enthusiastic way you would expect. In fact, 8/10 of them acted non-interested and stopped things from going further. The other 2/10 wanted to be with me.

From a guy who is good looking, successful and socially adjusted, has been with hotties...WTF!
I mean, are 8/10 girls so laid back that they just don't see a good opportunity when it stares them in the face, or do they have unrealisticly high standards on men, or WHAT?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Single_Sucks said:
I had decided that maybe my standards were a bit unrealisticly high and over the last few years I have been experimenting with approaching different kinds of chicks.
So for a time the chicks I gamed on ranged from the usual hotties down to the chicks who I might give a chance if they were very, very lucky. Here is what I found...

Strange thing is that even though I was essentially 'pretending' to like these ugly girls, girls who should have been glad to make eye contact with me, they didn't react in the enthusiastic way you would expect. In fact, 8/10 of them acted non-interested and stopped things from going further. The other 2/10 wanted to be with me.

From a guy who is good looking, successful and socially adjusted, has been with hotties...WTF!
I mean, are 8/10 girls so laid back that they just don't see a good

opportunity when it stares them in the face, or do they have unrealisticly high standards on men, or WHAT?

I've said this many times before. Sometimes the ugly fat chicks have higher physical standards than the hot ones. I'm not kidding. It's been my experience that average looking women seem to place higher importance on looks than very attractive women. I've seen many a 300 pound HOG think she was the hottest thing in the club.

It really comes down to supply and demand. Women, of all attractiveness levels are sought after more than men. How many times have you seen some fat, ugly pig get hit on in a bar, while some decent looking dude is sitting by himself getting ignored from women.

I've had experiences where truly hot women have been some of the nicest people I've met. They didn't place nearly as much emphasis on looks as these average looking hags.
 

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Single_Sucks said:
I had decided that maybe my standards were a bit unrealisticly high and over the last few years I have been experimenting with approaching different kinds of chicks.
So for a time the chicks I gamed on ranged from the usual hotties down to the chicks who I might give a chance if they were very, very lucky. Here is what I found...

Strange thing is that even though I was essentially 'pretending' to like these ugly girls, girls who should have been glad to make eye contact with me, they didn't react in the enthusiastic way you would expect. In fact, 8/10 of them acted non-interested and stopped things from going further. The other 2/10 wanted to be with me.

From a guy who is good looking, successful and socially adjusted, has been with hotties...WTF! I mean, are 8/10 girls so laid back that they just don't see a good opportunity when it stares them in the face, or do they have unrealisticly high standards on men, or WHAT?
Did they get nervous? Did they sense you didn't really want them?

Maybe they thought you were out of their league? If they did then what happens is they don't feel comfortable around you. Same with AFC men and hot women.
 

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Haha, what an irony.

Maybe it's time for your superiority macho attitude that needs readjusting.

Do you listen to yourself?

"...to the chicks who I might give a chance if they were very, very lucky..."
"Strange thing is that even though I was essentially 'pretending' to like these ugly girls, girls who should have been glad to make eye contact with me, they didn't react in the enthusiastic way you would expect."

The reality is that you've just been indirectly told by these "ugly" chicks that you need to change your game and personality because apparently majority of these "ugly" chicks aren't even HAPPY at the sight of seeing you....apparently, a good looking, successful complete stranger.

With that being said, I agree that lot of unattractive females have an attitude problem and are very unfriendly. This is just a way for them to avoid rejection from guys. Yeah, you heard me. If they act b1tchy and uncaring, then to them it's justified why they aren't getting any. Because apparently, us guys are too "shallow" and not "submissive" enough to them.

Once again, fix your "false sense of superiority" attitude. There is a difference between thinking you're the prize and walking all over other people. You, my friend, have crossed that line a long time ago.

I mean, honestly, what is the difference between your attitude and the "ugly" chicks' attitude?
 

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I noticed as well that some ugly or fat girls are mimicking the behavhiour of HB's as crazy as it sounds.

I believe this behaviour has actually increased their value in the eyes of men who prefer the confident b1tchy fat/ugly girl as oppossed to the low self esteem nice fat/ugly girl.

If you think about it, it works both ways.

An AFC who pretends to be a bad boy will get farther with women instead of an AFC who acts nice and shows his insecurity outwardly.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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fix your "false sense of superiority" attitude. There is a difference between thinking you're the prize and walking all over other people. You, my friend, have crossed that line a long time ago
Sorry but this is wrong. I speak with blunt honesty on the forum, these girls are unmistakably lower in attractiveness than me and I had to state that to get the point across.
In reality i'm a very friendly conversationalist and polite person.

I like this idea that ugly girld are trying avoid being 'too nice' or AFC (average frustrated chick) in order to get more or better guys. Shows the female parralells of SoSUave, of which there may be many.
 

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justiceseeker said:
I've said this many times before. Sometimes the ugly fat chicks have higher physical standards than the hot ones. I'm not kidding. It's been my experience that average looking women seem to place higher importance on looks than very attractive women. I've seen many a 300 pound HOG think she was the hottest thing in the club.

It really comes down to supply and demand. Women, of all attractiveness levels are sought after more than men. How many times have you seen some fat, ugly pig get hit on in a bar, while some decent looking dude is sitting by himself getting ignored from women.

I've had experiences where truly hot women have been some of the nicest people I've met. They didn't place nearly as much emphasis on looks as these average looking hags.
Exactkly.. yuou just saved nme a whole lot of typing...:up:
 

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Single_Sucks said:
Sorry but this is wrong. I speak with blunt honesty on the forum, these girls are unmistakably lower in attractiveness than me and I had to state that to get the point across.
In reality i'm a very friendly conversationalist and polite person.

I like this idea that ugly girld are trying avoid being 'too nice' or AFC (average frustrated chick) in order to get more or better guys. Shows the female parralells of SoSUave, of which there may be many.

Demand for all women is soo high now due to the over population of males that even the ugly fatties can be picky and choosy.... Fat women are getting plenty of play by F'ing all the desperate dudes that the pretty girls reject...
 

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It could be insecurity. They probably think it's something that's too good to be true. I'll admit that I've ignored interested girls who I thought were too goodlooking.

It could also be the fact that guys will hit on anything to the point that ugly girls are starting to have options.
 

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It could also be the fact that guys will hit on anything to the point that ugly girls are starting to have options.
Lots of guys will have a one night stand with fat/uglier chicks but I don't think many of us are actually looking to have a relationship with one.
I don't think they have more options in terms of long-term romances, which was the line of dating that I was implicitly offering to them.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Single_Sucks said:
Lots of guys will have a one night stand with fat/uglier chicks but I don't think many of us are actually looking to have a relationship with one.
I don't think they have more options in terms of long-term romances, which was the line of dating that I was implicitly offering to them.
Not exactly. Fat/uglier girls are not only being used for drunken one night stands. They are now entering relationships with good-looking men. In college, the number of goodlooking guy/uglier girl relationships were enormous (although I haven't seen it as much since I moved back to the South). So these girls are starting to have more options not just for sex but also for long-term relationships. I don't know if the guys are just desperate or if these girls have some serious game (i.e. their confidence is making them more attractive). But then again, these girls could be genuinely nice people and that was the ticket.
 

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I've noticed a lot of fat chicks are just socially maladjusted. Bad sense of humor, moody, b*tchy, don't get along well with many people, typically unfriendly, or just flat out BORING as hell.

Now don't get me wrong, there's plenty of hot girls with those same characteristics, but I find the percentage of ugly girls with these bad qualities to be much, much higher.

Of all the girls I know with amazing personalities, all of them are very attractive. I can't think of one fat/ugly girl I know who also happens to be a very cool person, though.
 

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alot of ugly girls dont even know they are ugly. they think they are hot because all the desperate guys that hit on anything that walks.
 

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Furyguy said:
I've noticed a lot of fat chicks are just socially maladjusted. Bad sense of humor, moody, b*tchy, don't get along well with many people, typically unfriendly, or just flat out BORING as hell.

Now don't get me wrong, there's plenty of hot girls with those same characteristics, but I find the percentage of ugly girls with these bad qualities to be much, much higher.

Of all the girls I know with amazing personalities, all of them are very attractive. I can't think of one fat/ugly girl I know who also happens to be a very cool person, though.
That pretty much sums this up perfectly! :D

I'm gonna quote what you just said in future conversations outside of these forums! :up:
 

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I noticed a lot of the girls that would be hot, if they lost the muffin top, are not usually the nicest people. Defies logic. They are often the first to comment on somebody else's appearance.WTF?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I think this is typical of all insecure people. They will point out other people's flaws first in an effort to keep attention off theirs.
 
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