Twilight

[zekko]

Over the weekend, I happened to have the opportunity to see part of the fourth Twilight movie (yeah, yeah, don't ask). I noticed a few things as they relate to this forum.

I remember guys on this forum talking about Twilight as an example of a female fantasy, and seeing what they could glean from it. For example, here we have a rather plain high school girl who is being fought over by two supernaturally powerful men (alphas) - a vampire and a werewolf.

By this movie, Jacob the wolf boy has been firmly placed in the friendzone, but having him around makes her feel "complete", even though he is clearly very much still in love with her (he makes no bones about it) and it is painful for him to be around her. Not that she cares, of course. What matters is that she has her super beta orbiter around that adores her to give her attention.

Of course the man she did choose, Edward the vampire, also adores her, and has no problem with her keeping her orbiter wolf boy around.

At one point, Bella (our heroine) has a baby, and Jacob "imprints" on it. Part of this wolf ritual is "You would do anything, be anything she needs: a friend; a brother; a protector." Sounds like he basically devotes his life to her happiness. Tellingly, there is no such thing as a female wolf imprinting on a male and devoting herself to his happiness. If there is, it is not discussed.

Finally, one thing this forum has always said: There is nothing special about Bella. She brings nothing to the table. She's rather dull, not especially pretty. Why would these powerful men love her so resolutely? The point is that she could be anyone, I guess, so the female reader can relate to her. But in this movie I did notice one unique thing about her: She's a virgin! (well, she was before she got pregnant).

In this day and age, a girl who has managed to retain her virginity is pretty rare. So maybe there is something special about Bella after all.

 

[dasein]

Delving into the entertainment themes that women respond to will take one right to the edge of misogyny if not over the edge. When exposed to it these days, I just turn it off or get away from it to avoid an even more negative attitude about women.

 

[AttackFormation]

Delving into the entertainment themes that women respond to will take one right to the edge of misogyny if not over the edge. When exposed to it these days, I just turn it off or get away from it to avoid an even more negative attitude about women.

Could you explain more please?

 

[VikingKing]

I dislike this series. The reason why is because its two super power beings of great strength, and power acting like afcs over one human girl.

Two guys that live a long time and are powerful, over one mortal girl.

Its the wrong message.

 

[( . )( . )]

Could you explain more please?

I pondered where our Western grrrrls fixation of occultish type figures came from, then the genius of GBFM washed over me like hot jizz. And I was reborn.

one **** rule one **** rule
i ain’t no beats fool i ain’t no beta tool
over vampires and werewolfe you ginas all drool
letting their ****s touch your deep down stool
then you blame the betas in school
and transfer wealth for the bernanke gene pool
jonah goldberg sends our alphas 2 die on foreign shores
stuffing his face with dc pizza as they die in fiat wars
neocon womenz repeating butthexers lies in their mags
even after menopause and no need for da ragz
telling young chickas to lust after vampires
as they build their fiat empires . . . .

womenz womenz bernanke took advanatge of you
you wasted your best years on vampires and werewolves
and now you cry your tears cause of your sore anus
stamp your little feet saying, “you betas must pay for this!!!” . . .

It's like God himself spoke directly through GBFM.

One coc rule baby! :rockon:

 

[dasein]

Could you explain more please?

Sure. First of all, note that because women spend 70-90% of disposable income in the US, a similar percentage of entertainment based on advertising is going to be geared towards women. Because large businesses didn't become so by pouring money down ratholes, this means that the themes in ads and female fare on television and in movies, in print, is pretested to appeal to a broad audience of women. With that in mind, note:

1. The near solipsism and self-absorption of the female audience. The thread topic is an excellent example. The -average- girl doesn't -do- anything, doesn't -work- for anything, she simply -gets- supernatural attention from the equivalent of these godlike, sexy figures who literally mold their lives around this average female just because. No single human man can fulfill this girl's desires, she must have some epic level of supernatural attention from many supernatural beings. Imagine the silliness of a male character similarly situated (to preempt, Harry Potter is for a female audience and I don't know any adult men into Transformer type themes, which are also feminized), we are happy if two girls agree to get it on for an hour with the poolboy in a porno. There are many examples of this and similar in hit female shows, True Blood, Sex and the City, Desperate Housewives, Friends, soap operas many made for tv movies. This is why women are prone to very emotional, histrionic forms of Christian excess, only the eternal love of a god-man is enough.

Another aspect of this is a disturbing number of female oriented themes where they are constantly telling women "you work so hard, you deserve ths or that luxury, you earned it," when hardly any women I've ever known do much real work at all. It seems a female audience needs some kind of constant affirmation and backpatting that she is a "good person" doing the right things, working hard, regardless of whether that's actually the case or not.

Note the contrast with male action or sports movies/sporting events. The man perseveres through effort, training and work to defeat the environment, evil human or fantastic elements, or just competitors in sports.

2. Female fascination with being victimized by men, with being in perpetual victimhood. Law & Order SVU, lots of crime shows, lots of those "true crime reenactment/reality" tabloidy shows on cable that you wonder who watches that crap? Women are fascinated for some unhealthy reason with being violently abused by men and with violent crime generally. They wallow in victimhood, despite only a tiny, trivial % of men are violent. Have you ever heard women tell their various "abuse victim-abuse culture" stories and known instantly they were lying or exaggerating extremely? This is related.

3. Female fascination with lording it over, taking advantage of, having it over on men, beating or manipulating men, belittling, insulting men. There are dozens of shows, movies, etc., where women are one-upping men, putting men in their place, outsmarting men, in ever more fantastical ways. Combine this with 2 and you have a real f-ed up psychic dynamic. This is a primary theme in commercials that used to be much worse, and is only getting slightly better of late.

4. Celebrity and fame culture. This one is my biggest pet peeve and the main source of endangering misogyny for me. I cannot abide people who devote their precious time to "caring about" what such and such celebrity does, who they marry, date, what they think, their political views. Even highly educated women I have dated buy tabloids and dwell on celebrity culture, some more than others of course, but most to some degree have this issue. Women, not men, create this unhealthy cultural dynamic. Men may idolize sports stars somewhat, but not to the degree with women and their celebrity fixations.

Eh, that's enough, bringing me down just thinking about this stuff, which is why I normally just avoid it, and suggest other men do the same as opposed to thinking on it too much.

 

[Huffman]

Yeah. Truth be told, I'd rather be caught reading 50 Shades than this crap. I mean, it's crazy woman fantasy just the same, but at least it's kind of educational... just think about it, most girls you know have read it and are into all that kinky sex... yes your innocent neighbour too... hot damn.