"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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turning a HB8 into a loyal gf who behaves herself, is it possible?

drift_king

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the HB7 i am seeing is more insecure than the HB8s i date, she doesn't think she's the best looking thing out there like HB8s do so she ends up being a good gf, however with most HB8s i've dated they all have this air of superiority and spoilt behaviour cos they're used to getting everything when they want.

is it really possible to train these HB8 model girls into good gf's or is it just a pipe dream?

maybe in the short term you can make her behave well but in the long run she'll still fall back on her old behaviour and if you do manage to get her to behave it's a constant struggle of disqualifying her/walking away a very unstable up and down type of thing. do these superhot girls after a while start to behave themselves? or are they just waiting to see if they've got you hooked and then just revert back?

it seems like so much hassle trying to keep a HB8 in check as a gf i'm wondering if it's even worth it, yeah for banging but not gf material.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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If your confidence continually stays at nearly the level of narcissism and you always keep yourself in top social condition physically and mentally where your girl is sent the covert message that she can be replaced at any time yes I do believe you can tame an HB8 or even a 10 into a loyal girlfriend.

You have to be the kind of DJ that is always on though, you can't get complacent with the girl or she will get bored and utilize her more active more entertaining and interesting options.
 

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KontrollerX said:
If your confidence continually stays at nearly the level of narcissism and you always keep yourself in top social condition physically and mentally where your girl is sent the covert message that she can be replaced at any time yes I do believe you can tame an HB8 or even a 10 into a loyal girlfriend.

You have to be the kind of DJ that is always on though, you can't get complacent with the girl or she will get bored and utilize her more active more entertaining and interesting options.
it seems like a lot of work though.. i mean almost years of training and practise. i mean down the line you need to be in longer relationships to really test yourself and her behaviour.

i feel as if in terms of pick up phase i do above average could do better, in terms of dating the same.. but further down the line 2 weeks on 4 weeks on i don't really get to that stage so i can't even imagine how difficult it must be 6 months to a year down the line keeping her in check when you're in an exclusive relationship and she pulls bullsh1t on you.

i started to realise that im not ready yet cos i feel insecure when my girl goes out clubbing with her girls like she may be cheating.. i didn't think i'd have these thoughts but i realise i still have an afc mindset im tryna battle. if my girl was a HB8 i'd struggle ridiculously. when she tells u she's going out with her girls are u suppose to act cool about it?

even though the likelyhood guys will try it with her, you can't be sure how she'll respond to them especially if she's superhot and used to being flattered with attention.. she'll make up some BS about how they are just wanting to be friends etc and she was just being friendly.. how do u counterrespond to this sort of behaviour?

if u act jealous or insecure she'll gun you for it.. in my mind she shouldn't be even talking to these guys in the 1st place as it's disrespectful but i think many on this forum will say that you shouldn't care or act jealous as that is weak. she's looking for a guy who doesn't get jealous. however that's where the process starts where she's initially friends with whichever 'hot' guy she meets in a club that if things go bad with you she'll run to him to fvck him. obviously i should have girls on tap like that so i guess introducing your HB8 girl to other hot chicks u call as 'friends' to make her worry is a good counter tactic.

i dont feel as if i can step to a HB8 in terms of dating exclusively until i have an army of hot girls to compete with the number of guys she can get. until i do i'm going to struggle if she's my only girl. is it important to have a lot of hot girls on tap before you step to a HB8-9?
 

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also some of these girls are money wh0res they want to be taken to expensive restaurants/expensive clubs live a lavish lifestyle, usually if u cant provide this they just wont give u the time of the day. how do u get around this as you wont be providing this to her under no circumstances?

i feel like you'd have to be a challenge and use psychology to get her cos she's probably never used to a guy not calling her after a date and walking away. this will play on her mind.
 

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STFU already bout this chick!! She doesn't like you, grow some balls and move on to other chicks and stop overanalyzing everything. Sorry if tht was harsh but it needed to be said.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Can't make a ho into a housewife!
 

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I dated a HB9.5 Model

They are impossible to keep happy. They are monkeys they hop from branch to branch when they get bored. I actually kept mine for 4 years twice as long as anyone else. Catch and release type women they love newness and the chase. Does not matter who you are I'm young, good looking and wealthy and I still couldn't pull it off long term. They are masters at turning strong men into AFC's.
 

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KontrollerX said:
If your confidence continually stays at nearly the level of narcissism and you always keep yourself in top social condition physically and mentally where your girl is sent the covert message that she can be replaced at any time yes I do believe you can tame an HB8 or even a 10 into a loyal girlfriend.

You have to be the kind of DJ that is always on though, you can't get complacent with the girl or she will get bored and utilize her more active more entertaining and interesting options.
Yeah absolutely. You have to always be in that narcassism state. No matter how much you hear people dissing narcassistic people, tune it out. Narcassism is key.
 

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drift_king said:
i started to realise that im not ready yet cos i feel insecure when my girl goes out clubbing with her girls like she may be cheating.. i didn't think i'd have these thoughts but i realise i still have an afc mindset im tryna battle. if my girl was a HB8 i'd struggle ridiculously. when she tells u she's going out with her girls are u suppose to act cool about it?

even though the likelyhood guys will try it with her, you can't be sure how she'll respond to them especially if she's superhot and used to being flattered with attention.. she'll make up some BS about how they are just wanting to be friends etc and she was just being friendly.. how do u counterrespond to this sort of behaviour?

if u act jealous or insecure she'll gun you for it.. in my mind she shouldn't be even talking to these guys in the 1st place as it's disrespectful but i think many on this forum will say that you shouldn't care or act jealous as that is weak. she's looking for a guy who doesn't get jealous. however that's where the process starts where she's initially friends with whichever 'hot' guy she meets in a club that if things go bad with you she'll run to him to fvck him. obviously i should have girls on tap like that so i guess introducing your HB8 girl to other hot chicks u call as 'friends' to make her worry is a good counter tactic.
Dude, don't worry, really. As long as she's still sleeping with you, is all that matters. Her sleeping with you says A LOT. Because believe me, a hot woman will not just sleep with any guy, and for her to sleep with you, say's a lot of what she thinks about you. She see's you as a prize. She's ATTRACTED to you.
 

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sure, anythings possible. How you do that will depend on the girl. And since this is something I'm also trying to figure out I'm not qualified to give you anymore advice.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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