"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Turkish cutie - lost and lonely :)

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There is this Turkish girl (HB 8) in my engineering class (yeah I was surprised too)..

She doesn't speak English that well.. but understands most of my convo.

She is kinda dumb, kinda lost, and is a new student. We have a class project, where 3 people can form a group. I have a few people in mind for the project, all of whom are pretty intelligent. But I am thinking of letting her join my group. That might make it easier to game her, but she doesn't seem like much help for the project, so I'm not completely sure about bringing her in my group.

A few AFCs were sucking up to her in class, but they couldn't make an impression. The class gets over and she is walking by herself to the library, and I do my cold approach.. talk to her.. tone down my PUA self as I realized she understands only basic English. So anyway, as I start qualifying her and negging her:
"put that map away, you look like a tourist!"
"you are the only one wearing sunglasses.. take them off"
"What subjects are you good at?"

I managed to get some IOIs, some laughs, got her to sit down with me (compliance test) on bench while we exchanged numbers.

So, the question is:

Since there are language barriers, any C&F or classy PUA stuff won't be very effective. How and when should I show my interest?

She is also living alone. She hasn't explored the city at all. Does anyone know if Turkish girls are conservative?
 
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Turkish girls are not conservative usually, but it depends on their relationship with their parents who can be traditional. Given that she lives alone and is studying abroad, I would be willing to bet she is not conservative.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean that "PUA stuff" won't work on her because of the language barrier.. either you are good with girls or you aren't, the fact you can't understand each other simply means you can't be verbal but you shouldn't have to be. I have been in your position before and it's actually been easier for me, rather than more difficult.
 

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Prod said:
Turkish girls are not conservative usually, but it depends on their relationship with their parents who can be traditional. Given that she lives alone and is studying abroad, I would be willing to bet she is not conservative.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean that "PUA stuff" won't work on her because of the language barrier.. either you are good with girls or you aren't, the fact you can't understand each other simply means you can't be verbal but you shouldn't have to be. I have been in your position before and it's actually been easier for me, rather than more difficult.
I say stuff that has a hidden meaning which creates laughter.. but she won't get it if she's not that smooth with the English language.

But since you are speaking from some experience, I am motivated to give it a good shot.
 

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daygameguy said:
I say stuff that has a hidden meaning which creates laughter.. but she won't get it if she's not that smooth with the English language.

But since you are speaking from some experience, I am motivated to give it a good shot.
You lose some verbal skills as I said earlier, but think about it a little bit. She is vulnerable and you simply cannot manufacture the kind of mystery you can develop in a relationship like this. It may not last long, but it can be a great fling for sure.
 

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You lose some verbal skills as I said earlier, but think about it a little bit. She is vulnerable and you simply cannot manufacture the kind of mystery you can develop in a relationship like this. It may not last long, but it can be a great fling for sure.
If she approaches me in class next time, to join my group or whatever, then I'll maybe take it further... I already took the initiative to cold approach her. We have even exchanged numbers.

But whatever, I might just game her for fun. I love kinoing girls.. lol:rock:
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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