Tryna rizz exchange students

[Clockwerk50]

Maybe if you would tell me what I could do in real life I might not be so lazy.

I'll check out the vid though.

Work out, get a fresh haircut, and wear clean, well-fitted clothes. Make friends and go out to clubs, bars, or house parties.Don't stay at home all the time. Find a hobby and get good at it, and make sure your Instagram is on point. Try to go out as often as possible. Stay in school and focus on getting good grades.

When talking to women, follow the 70/30 rule. Speak less and listen more - this gives you more control over the conversation and reduces the chances of saying the wrong thing.

Quit porn. It doesn't actually fulfill you; it makes you feel lazy and distorts your perception of women. You'll struggle to create a meaningful connection in real-life intimacy. Plus, your body needs to be ready whenever the opportunity arises.

When you are alone with the woman isolate and escalate like you did today. Bear in mind you have to be good at reading signals, but that comes with practice.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

There's a huge difference between romantic directness like "Let me get your number"

or "I'd love to take you out and play footsies" after playful back-and-forth, while gauging the woman's interest level, or even something like "Come to my house, there's no one home" when you've already built a certain rapport, versus "Let's have sex and be intimate next week" out of nowhere to someone you've barely spoken to.

Bruh, first of all, with all due respect...my method is tested and proven...so for you to try to coach me on some shiit that has already been proven to work for me, is wild.

I don't need advice, nor am I offering theories about what I think.

You are telling me what you think about some shiit you've never done, while I'm telling you what I know based on the shiit that I've done, and do.

Big difference.

Second, as I said before...when I send either mild or soft explicit messages to women during my first initial communications with them, this is a test.

Think of it as a screening test...and that's how I weed out the ones that aren't right for me.

So while this may all seem crazy to you, for me, it is a quick, easy, systematic method and has paid dividends as navigate through the pile to find out which ones are rocking with me or not.

OP came here asking for advice on how not to come across as a creep, but you're essentially teaching him how to be one..

As of now, I can care less about OP's situation.

He has been receptive towards the bullshiit BPH is kicking, so I'll let those two do what they do.

As of now, I am speaking in general.

As for being looked at as a creep...that's bullshiit.

Just like guys on here that have negative shiit to say about cold approach, they think that women look at men as creeps just because the men approached them.

Only guys that never cold approach will think that.

Men that are out there in the field knows, that ain't how it goes.

You guys are speaking from ignorance, which is fallacious.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Men with lots of puzzies don't spend mental energy trying to convince others how good he is, he just doesn't care.

I feel you.

 

[BPH]

"I'm not looking for anything serious at the moment, but I'd like to share your sexual (and/or) intimate companionship next weekend" (or whenever).

This is the kind of text message that girls read to me during pillow talk when they're complaining about how weird other guys are.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

This is the kind of text message that girls read to me during pillow talk when they're complaining about how weird other guys are.

Yeah, and how many dates did you have to take the chick on, to get to your pillow talk stage?

Even if the answer is one, that's one too many.

Me? None.

We ain't the same.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I know because after your divorce

I'm still married, junior.

you're most likely broke and can't afford a proper date with a high quality woman.

"High quality" is subjective.

Men with money don't care spending money on women, because what is abundant for them is scarce for you.

Your using the abundance/scarcity thing, to justify spending money on women.

Spending money on women ain't the issue.

The issue is; you spend on a woman, when she's yet to earn it.

You spend money on dates, with the hopes of getting puzzy..which is gamble prostitution.

Which is something I'll never do again.

It seems that your confusion appears to be every guy who spends money on women is a simp with no game and who no woman wants.

No, that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying there is a more efficient way of doing things.

You're damn right we ain't.

And why is that?

Because, I don't spend money on women with the hopes of getting laid.

You do.

It's what separates the men from the boys.

 

[AntoniousIV]

Work out, get a fresh haircut, and wear clean, well-fitted clothes. Make friends and go out to clubs, bars, or house parties.Don't stay at home all the time. Find a hobby and get good at it, and make sure your Instagram is on point. Try to go out as often as possible. Stay in school and focus on getting good grades.

When talking to women, follow the 70/30 rule. Speak less and listen more - this gives you more control over the conversation and reduces the chances of saying the wrong thing.

Quit porn. It doesn't actually fulfill you; it makes you feel lazy and distorts your perception of women. You'll struggle to create a meaningful connection in real-life intimacy. Plus, your body needs to be ready whenever the opportunity arises.

When you are alone with the woman isolate and escalate like you did today. Bear in mind you have to be good at reading signals, but that comes with practice.

Bookmarked.

My ig is pretty sh$t, cus im skinny fat. My plan is to get jacked for summer (june) so I'm cutting and working out.

Regarding porn, it's a lot easier when you have prospects. I didnt even think lf watching while I was actively going out with this girl. I've been free for 3 weeks, and I'll continue until I die.
I also escaped my video game addiction 5 days ago which was a big problem for me.Aspecially league of legends. I've been playing so for most of my life, but I've found it easy to esacape now. And that was a big problem to me, I would rather play than go out with girls.

I'll start clubbing more once I get lean. That should be in about 3months.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Why, you can't leave? Pathetic

I will leave, when you reach levels whereas you can get puzzy without taking a woman on a date.

How about that?

 

[BPH]

I'm still married, junior.

If you're married, why do you think you have a single clue about what works in modern dating?

 

[SW15]

If you're married, why do you think you have a single clue about what works in modern dating?

This isn't specific to me but I think it does bring up a good point that likely warrants its own thread.

When a person gets into a relationship for a while, at what point does their dating knowledge become dated?

I think it's about 5-7 years of a monogamous relationship that causes it, even if the monogamous relationship of that duration is childless.

I think about the people I know who have been the same relationship 10-15 years and I can't imagine most of them doing well re-entering dating in 2025.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

If you're married, why do you think you have a single clue about what works in modern dating?

I'm spiritually, mentally, and emotionally divorced, and not giving a damn about what a piece of paper says.

In other words, I'm single and have been living a singles life.

Second, my method is just simply more efficient, and this efficiency is based on logic and reason alone, whether married or not.

Third, as I stated before, my method has garnished recent/current results...so if it's currently working for me, then it obviously applies to modern dating.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

This isn't specific to me but I think it does bring up a good point that likely warrants its own thread.

When a person gets into a relationship for a while, at what point does their dating knowledge become dated?

I think it's about 5-7 years of a monogamous relationship that causes it, even if the monogamous relationship of that duration is childless.

I think about the people I know who have been the same relationship 10-15 years and I can't imagine most of them doing well re-entering dating in 2025.

Direct verbal game, (Mode One), which is what I endorse...the method itself goes all the way back to the mid-late 80's when Alan Roger Currie first began trying out his method in college...and, he found out that it works.

He's been teaching, writing, and selling books on the subject going all the way back to 1999...which is what he continued to do all the way up until his sudden death in 2022.

I said all that to say, the method is almost 40 years old and books are still being sold.

So, no. The method is not dated and is still going strong.

 

[SW15]

Direct verbal game, (Mode One), which is what I endorse...the method itself goes all the way back to the mid-late 80's when Alan Roger Currie first began trying out his method in college...and, he found out that it works.

He's been teaching, writing, and selling books on the subject going all the way back to 1999...which is what he continued to do all the way up until his sudden death in 2022.

I said all that to say, the method is almost 40 years old and books are still being sold.

So, no. The method is not dated and is still going strong.

The typical guy getting out of a relationship that is 7-15 years long (even one where there wasn't children resulting from it) isn't a guy who has heard of Alan Roger Currie or Mode One.

A lot of those guys are going to be lost when trying to seduce new women (foreign exchange students or any type of new woman).

I have promoted Mode One before and cited you as the Mode One specialist on this forum.

A guy who started a relationship in 2013 and ended one in 2024-2025, putting him on the market today is likely to need an adjustment to the current times. Tinder existed in 2013 so it's not like that guy is completely lost on new dating technologies.

Guys who were completely reliant on approaching in real life in the 2000s/early 2010s and plan to approach in real life in the 2020s would be better off than guys who were website/app daters during that era and then got into some sort of long relationship.

By the late 2000s/early 2010s, it was common for mid-tier looks males (often blue pill ideology beta males) to be using dating websites or dating apps.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

The typical guy getting out of a relationship that is 7-15 years long (even one where there wasn't children resulting from it) isn't a guy who has heard of Alan Roger Currie or Mode One.

A lot of those guys are going to be lost when trying to seduce new women (foreign exchange students or any type of new woman).

More than likely true, however, I'm just stating that the method itself isn't dated...as that was the question, right?

I know your question was in a general sense..but since dude insinuated that my style may be out of touch and you asked the general, broader question about individuals that may be behind the times, I felt compelled to say no, my style ain't outdated.

I have promoted Mode One before and cited you as the Mode One specialist on this forum.

No lies told.

A guy who started a relationship in 2013 and ended one in 2024-2025, putting him on the market today is likely to need an adjustment to the current times. Tinder existed in 2013 so it's not like that guy is completely lost on new dating technologies.

Guys who were completely reliant on approaching in real life in the 2000s/early 2010s and plan to approach in real life in the 2020s would be better off than guys who were website/app daters during that era and then got into some sort of long relationship.

By the late 2000s/early 2010s, it was common for mid-tier looks males (often blue pill ideology beta males) to be using dating websites or dating apps.

Are we talking about the methodology (Approach + interaction to lay) used...or are we talking the vessel used (dating apps, nightclub, social event, etc)...that is dated?

Either way, it should be like riding bicycle.

You may not have rode one in 20 years, but all it requires is for you to get out there and start pedaling, and it'll come back to you.

 

[Clockwerk50]

The typical guy getting out of a relationship that is 7-15 years long (even one where there wasn't children resulting from it) isn't a guy who has heard of Alan Roger Currie or Mode One.

A lot of those guys are going to be lost when trying to seduce new women (foreign exchange students or any type of new woman).

I have promoted Mode One before and cited you as the Mode One specialist on this forum.

A guy who started a relationship in 2013 and ended one in 2024-2025, putting him on the market today is likely to need an adjustment to the current times. Tinder existed in 2013 so it's not like that guy is completely lost on new dating technologies.

Guys who were completely reliant on approaching in real life in the 2000s/early 2010s and plan to approach in real life in the 2020s would be better off than guys who were website/app daters during that era and then got into some sort of long relationship.

By the late 2000s/early 2010s, it was common for mid-tier looks males (often blue pill ideology beta males) to be using dating websites or dating apps.

From what I gathered from @We_ArE_VeNOM, Mode One's main idea is to tell women exactly what is on your mind and what you want from them almost instantaneously. From reading some short synopses and other people's explanations of what Mode One is, it is not about saying explicit stuff publicly — it is more of a mindset.

With that being said, the way the Mode One’s ambassador here presented the advice to a high schooler, who is less emotionally and morally developed, makes it seem like it is okay to approach someone by saying inappropriate things that will obviously make women afraid of him. OP asked how not to be creepy, and offering advice such as "let's be intimate next week" portrays that telling a woman verbally and directly that "she has a nice ass" and "let's ****" is acceptable - when the most likely outcome is that he will continue to be socially uncalibrated or even go to jail. The problem with the advise is that, just like his approaches, it did not adjust to OP’s situation, setting, or background.

Indirect approaches are more like beginner difficulty, while direct approaches are more intermediate. Direct approaches are good as a "cut to the chase" method where all your other supporting factors are in good standing (looks, money, status, personality, plates). It is not going to work if you do not even know how to talk to people. This is the main reason his advice should be emphasized on the "mindset" that Roger explains. Not sure if he would be the right guy for that…

Lastly, Roger did the approaches in the '80s when people did not record interactions. If you tell all the girls at your school or the gym that you want to "sleep with them on the weekend," you are not just going to be a creep but also end up on TikTok or YouTube. Direct method is good if it is adjusted to the situation. That's why this type of advice is dangerous to be given to a high schooler, which is a person who has not developed fully yet.

 

[SW15]

my style ain't outdated.

Your style wouldn't be outdated but most men re-entering dating after something like 7-15 years (and typically 35+ or even 40+) would feel behind the times.

Are we talking about the methodology (Approach + interaction to lay) used...or are we talking the vessel used (dating apps, nightclub, social event, etc)...that is dated?

Good question. When I was writing what I was writing, I was thinking about both the methodology and vessel used. I was thinking of the totality of a man getting in dating again after the end of a 7-15 year relationship.

Let's say a guy met his girlfriend in 2010 while in college on a college campus. His relationship ends in late 2024/early 2025 (November - March is peak breakup season).

How's that guy going to deal with the new world? He probably didn't use dating websites back in 2009 and 2010. Apps were still 2 years away. He didn't approach strangers as a working age person. He probably met his college girlfriend in 2010 based on something in a social circle, a random approach after class, or in some campus extracurricular club activity. At best, he approached her at an off campus college party.

That guy would be lost with swipe apps. He's never sent a DM on Instagram looking for a date. He's got limited daygame and/or nightgame experience.

He likely had kids with his ex during those 15 years. If he didn't, that would make things easier but still a challenge as a 36-38 year old man who hasn't dated in the adult world.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

I appreciate your genuine assessment.

From what I gathered from @We_ArE_VeNOM, Mode One's main idea is to tell women exactly what is on your mind and what you want from them almost instantaneously.

Yes, depending on which variation of MO you use, because not all variations requires things to happen instantly..and it also depends on the environment...are you at the club, bar, supermarket, library?

You must have situational awareness.

From reading some short synopses and other people's explanations of what Mode One is, it is not about saying explicit stuff publicly — it is more of a mindset.

It can be about saying explicit stuff (Mode One Hardcore), but saying explicit stuff is not a requirement..and this is a common misconception about Mode One.

And you are correct, it is indeed a mindset...an entire philosophy based on true premises.

And true premises lead to true conclusions.

With that being said, the way the Mode One’s ambassador here presented the advice to a high schooler, who is less emotionally and morally developed, makes it seem like it is okay to approach someone by saying inappropriate things that will obviously make women afraid of him.

He stated in post #39 that he don't have a problem being bold.

Well, then he shouldn't have a problem with Mode One, which is bold and doesn't get any more bolder than that.

He may be a high schooler, but hey, it starts now.

He can start by using the conventional (default) Mode One variation, and then progress towards Mode One Hardcore later, should he see fit.

OP asked how not to be creepy
, and offering advice such as "let's be intimate next week" portrays that telling a woman verbally and directly that "she has a nice ass" and "let's ****" is acceptable

First of all, your perceived assessment of a woman's reaction towards his directness, I vehemently disagree with.

Sure, you'll have some women who will give adverse reactions, but so what?

As a man, you are to stand 10 toes down on your position...not giving a damn what the woman thinks.

If a woman is creeped out by my sexual advances, then this woman just ain't for me..just as much as I'm not for her.

Why would you want to be with a woman who is creeped out by your sexual advances?

The idea behind Mode One is to weed out those women in a quick fashion, without being 2-3 dates in...and with your money gone in the process.

- when the most likely outcome is that he will continue to be socially uncalibrated or even go to jail.

So, the crime of telling a woman you want to smash..

Is that a misdemeanor, or a felony?

Tell me.

The problem with the advise is that, just like his approaches, it did not adjust to OP’s situation, setting, or background.

He can cater the method to whatever the situation is, just as long as he doesn't waste/gamble his money on an undeserving woman...which is what Mode One prevents.

Indirect approaches are more like beginner difficulty, while direct approaches are more intermediate. Direct approaches are good as a "cut to the chase" method where all your other supporting factors are in good standing (looks, money, status, personality, plates). It is not going to work if you do not even know how to talk to people.

Nonsense.

The man said..

"I'm pretty shameless, so I have no issue with being bold."

Doesn't sound like a person who doesn't know how to talk to people.

Stop babying him, and making excuses for him.

This is the main reason his advice should be emphasized on the "mindset" that Roger explains. Not sure if he would be the right guy for that…

Again,

"I'm pretty shameless, so I have no issue with being bold."

That statement alone is the epitome of being Mode One.

Shameless, and bold.

So dont feed me that bullshiit.

Lastly, Roger did the approaches in the '80s when people did not record interactions. If you tell all the girls at your school or the gym that you want to "sleep with them on the weekend," you are not just going to be a creep but also end up on TikTok or YouTube. Direct method is good if it is adjusted to the situation. That's why this type of advice is dangerous to be given to a high schooler, which is a person who has not developed fully yet.

*Plays violin*.

I am a man.

Ain't trying to hear that soft shiit.

 

[SW15]

Roger did the approaches in the '80s when people did not record interactions. If you tell all the girls at your school or the gym that you want to "sleep with them on the weekend," you are not just going to be a creep but also end up on TikTok or YouTube. Direct method is good if it is adjusted to the situation. That's why this type of advice is dangerous to be given to a high schooler, which is a person who has not developed fully yet.

Recorded approaches are a thing. Some PUAs do it but some women will capture being approached. We probably don't talk about that topic enough on this forum. That said, I don't think any women have recorded any of my approaches.

From reading some short synopses and other people's explanations of what Mode One is, it is not about saying explicit stuff publicly — it is more of a mindset.

I would agree that Mode One is more of a mindset. I am also not as well versed in Mode One.

Indirect approaches are more like beginner difficulty, while direct approaches are more intermediate.

That's fair to say. Roosh in "Day Bang" was more of a proponent of indirect approaching.

Roosh's standard nightlife opener in "Bang" was more indirect than direct as well.

I've leaned over time more towards indirect than direct. I think direct has a good place. Street approaching and nightlife venue approaching in a higher energy venue are good for direct.

situational awareness.

Situational awareness is important in all social interactions, especially initial approaches and early stage dates.

People with subpar situational awareness likely have subpar social skills. Having subpar social skills as a male will affect ability to get vagina.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Your style wouldn't be outdated but most men re-entering dating after something like 7-15 years (and typically 35+ or even 40+) would feel behind the times.



Good question. When I was writing what I was writing, I was thinking about both the methodology and vessel used. I was thinking of the totality of a man getting in dating again after the end of a 7-15 year relationship.

Let's say a guy met his girlfriend in 2010 while in college on a college campus. His relationship ends in late 2024/early 2025 (November - March is peak breakup season).

How's that guy going to deal with the new world? He probably didn't use dating websites back in 2009 and 2010. Apps were still 2 years away. He didn't approach strangers as a working age person. He probably met his college girlfriend in 2010 based on something in a social circle, a random approach after class, or in some campus extracurricular club activity. At best, he approached her at an off campus college party.

That guy would be lost with swipe apps. He's never sent a DM on Instagram looking for a date. He's got limited daygame and/or nightgame experience.

He likely had kids with his ex during those 15 years. If he didn't, that would make things easier but still a challenge as a 36-38 year old man who hasn't dated in the adult world.

Well, let me put it to you this way, good friend..

I've been married from 2010-2022 (been separated since 2022).

So my timeframe ain't too different from yours.

And guess what...I'm doing just fine .

If I can do it, anyone can do it.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Mode One Hardcore, mentality, and situational awareness. It would have been nice if you would have explained those concepts to OP earlier. It would have prevented so many petty arguments and so many irrelevant back and forth.

Anyways, I’m just trying to get laid so my man peace.