trump can do it, all the way

[prison/con.net]

ANYTHING that is for the "public benefit". and paid for with citizen's taxes, is socialism. It's certainly not "free market', so wtf else CAN you call it but socialism, eh?

 

[Tictac]

ANYTHING that is for the "public benefit". and paid for with citizen's taxes, is socialism. It's certainly not "free market', so wtf else CAN you call it but socialism, eh?

__________

Uh, government.

The Constitution of the United States constitutes a federal government from those who are governed to those that govern. A government is a series of agreements made between the governing and the governed.

Do you really think that the Constitution is a socialist document?

Really? Seriously?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

ANYTHING that is for the "public benefit". and paid for with citizen's taxes, is socialism. It's certainly not "free market', so wtf else CAN you call it but socialism, eh?

Most of your posts I've read contain a lot of stuff I disagree with, but on this one, I understand the argument you're trying to make. You're identifying this sort of grey area where a nation that embraces capitalism yet uses tax monies for public utilities tends to lead toward socialism. So which is it?

I tend to make the division at a point where we can delineate what tax monies are used for the public good.... such as infrastructure like highways, hospitals, police stations, or rights-of-way for railroads or electric utility poles.... versus those monies being used for what I call "entitlement socialism". This means .gov money being used for welfare of some kind. In the U.S. one good example of this would be Section 8 housing. There are MANY other programs in the U.S. that also belong in the entitlement socialism category, but are we a socialist nation? I wouldn't say we're anywhere near the level of socialism that former nations like East Germany or the Soviet Union embraced, but I would agree with some people that the general leanings in the U.S. are slowly taking us there.

But is a truly unrestrained capitalist nation the way to go? In that respect I'd have to say no. Communism and socialism are inherently evil because they always take from those who are productive via means of force through the government and give it to someone else they deem fit to receive it. But unrestrained capitalism would very much lead to total disregard for anything and everything except profit for those at the very top of the food chain within private companies. Unrestrained capitalism would see toxic waste being dumped into water supplies, child labor being used wherever they could get away with it, and cut-throat competition that would lead to monopolies in all sectors with no regulation on pricing.

So, some level of government regulation is needed to temper the level of greed anyone is capable of, but the key is to know when enough is enough. Unfortunately the last couple generations tend to churn out a lot of busybody thinkers who made jobs for themselves in areas of media and education which leads to excessive policy and stifles commercial growth. Interestingly enough this can be traced back to those folks who started dodging the draft of the Vietnam war.

 

[prison/con.net]

you don't know what would happen if we had a free market. you just ASSUME that there'd be nobody shooting pos's who hog everything. I KNOW that there will be. Big difference. understand this. GOVT IS a monopoly, and people "THINK" that it's justified. But govt is no different than any other violent gang.

 

[LiveFreeX]

The only problem with hyper capitalism is that not all people were created equally or in equally advantaged positions to take control of the market. Some people were born poor, some were born retarded, some were born with diseases. You are just lucky that wasn't you because if it was, you'd be singing a different tune. A TON of people take advantage of others who were born into poverty and ill-health and in the hyper capitalist system their crime is legal with enough money and connections. hyper socialism isn't great either but I'd rather have it to an all out free market system or a system that caters to only rich and healthy.

I don't mind paying for others who have it harder, I think that's part of being a first world country, helping those who cannot help themselves. I wasn't born healthy and I wouldn't have been a productive member of society if my parents had to shell out the money it would have required for my asthma problems. Likely they would have had to have stolen and found other ways to pay for the healthcare which may have indirectly interfered with your quality of life. For that reason, I'm glad I wasn't born in China or the states and don't have to resort to a Breaking Bad scenario to have my life extended.

 

[prison/con.net]

nature says "tough ****" and I concur. The species does not benefit by helping the unfit to produce offspring (who are of course likely to be even MORE unfit, due to both nurture and nature being against them. The world's got 10x as many people ALREADY (as can have a decent life). Cutting out those who can't produce is the only thing that makes sense.

 

[LiveFreeX]

That's why you Americans deserve everything that's coming your way. I do hope you guys are in a position one day to understand how the rest of the world lives.

 

[speed dawg]

nature says "tough ****" and I concur. The species does not benefit by helping the unfit to produce offspring (who are of course likely to be even MORE unfit, due to both nurture and nature being against them. The world's got 10x as many people ALREADY (as can have a decent life). Cutting out those who can't produce is the only thing that makes sense.

There is a middle ground. You can't just go Hitler and kill off 90% of the world even if you don't like them. We aren't animals.

But unfortunately, for the growing number of people out there who are atheist and have no moral standing whatsoever, we really are nothing but animals, nothing but a number. To an extent, you must use numbers, which comes back to the middle ground.

Where the U.S. is messing up, is that we are providing benefits to people that hate us (includes many citizens) and the people that provide the benefit. Even the love of Jesus Christ is conditional, as it should be. Many people use that against Christians, saying they should show unconditional love to everyone, when that is not the case.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Even the love of Jesus Christ is conditional

What's the condition?

 

[piranha45]

You have to accept him as your lord and savior, and recognize him as the son of dog.

...And this guy's name is Bible Belt.

 

[Bible_Belt]

You have to accept him as your lord and savior, and recognize him as the son of dog.

Dog the Bounty Hunter?

Speaking of dogs, in Matthew 15, Jesus heals the daughter of the Canaanite woman. He refuses at first, calling her people "dogs," which was kind of a d!ck move, but she tells him that even the dogs get the crumbs that fall from their master's table. He relents and heals her daughter.

So I don't think 'fvck everyone who isn't Christian' is a tenet of Christianity. I see a lot of preachy, churchy people on facebook who think we should murder all the muslims. I don't think they understand their own religion very well.

 

[prison/con.net]

I never said murder, just let them perish in and of their own void. Refusing to trade with them (or with anyone who DOES trade with them) would be all that it would take. i never claimed to be any sort of religionist. In fact, it's huge insult to be considered to be THAT irrational.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

you don't know what would happen if we had a free market. you just ASSUME that there'd be nobody shooting pos's who hog everything. I KNOW that there will be. Big difference. understand this. GOVT IS a monopoly, and people "THINK" that it's justified. But govt is no different than any other violent gang.

In a crude sense, you're right. But the government we designed here in the US was supposed to be one to protect the rights and freedoms of its citizens. But like many governments, over time they became corrupt.

Of course people could start shooting if they lived in a truly free capitalist society and call for hanging the top executives at big corporations. And of course those at the top would also be free to keep their own private army on the payroll to protect from that exact issue. It's a pretty vicious cycle really that would essentially take us right back to a feudalistic style of government.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

The only problem with hyper capitalism is that not all people were created equally or in equally advantaged positions to take control of the market. Some people were born poor, some were born retarded, some were born with diseases. You are just lucky that wasn't you because if it was, you'd be singing a different tune. A TON of people take advantage of others who were born into poverty and ill-health and in the hyper capitalist system their crime is legal with enough money and connections. hyper socialism isn't great either but I'd rather have it to an all out free market system or a system that caters to only rich and healthy.

I don't mind paying for others who have it harder, I think that's part of being a first world country, helping those who cannot help themselves. I wasn't born healthy and I wouldn't have been a productive member of society if my parents had to shell out the money it would have required for my asthma problems. Likely they would have had to have stolen and found other ways to pay for the healthcare which may have indirectly interfered with your quality of life. For that reason, I'm glad I wasn't born in China or the states and don't have to resort to a Breaking Bad scenario to have my life extended.

That's why you Americans deserve everything that's coming your way. I do hope you guys are in a position one day to understand how the rest of the world lives.

"You Americans"? lmao....well that more than anything explains your position. You essentially want all of the USA to fail...and why? I'll tell you and everyone else reading this why that is. It's because of jealousy and anger and knowing that in your own situation wherever it is you're at, you don't get the opportunities afforded in this nation. You can't work to improve the lot you have in life so instead you and millions of others wish destruction upon our nation because you can't have it as good as we and a handful of others do. If that ever happens, you'll cheer and shout for joy because a great nation collapsed. Again, that more than anything, tells a great deal about who you are as a person.

The vast majority of the world is a ****hole. There are nations who have worked very hard to try and elevate the standard of living of their citizens which can take hundreds of years in some cases, with the USA being one of them. Some others would include some nations in Europe, a handful in the pacific, maybe a couple in south america and some other outliers but by and large the world is a ****hole. You think Americans don't realize this?

I realize that for you and many other people who may have health problems that adversely impact your life, it sucks. You feel cheated and you may feel disdain at others who may lead a "normal" life. For as much as that sucks, I have yet to ever hear one single convincing argument why I, as a taxpayer, deserve to have the fruits of my labor taken by the government to be given to someone like you simply because you've got a "health problem". If people want to help out, they should be afforded some avenue for doing so, and here in the USA we many different ways people can volunteer.

If people want to help, they can. Why should they be forced to by .gov to redistribute wealth? Because you and others feel hurt because you've got some kind of real or imagined disadvantage in life? The USA contains the most generous people in the entire world. Our charity and efforts alone outdue damn near everyone else in aid...examples of this can be seen in the tsunami that hit in 2006.

Every nation in the world would like foreign aid from us because we've got so much wealth. We didn't get that way because we decided to sit on our collective asses over multiple generations and wait for that .gov paycheck to come in the mail.

 

[speed dawg]

Speaking of dogs, in Matthew 15, Jesus heals the daughter of the Canaanite woman. He refuses at first, calling her people "dogs," which was kind of a d!ck move, but she tells him that even the dogs get the crumbs that fall from their master's table. He relents and heals her daughter.

You are a bitter guy when it comes to Christianity. This is the context:

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

That is hardly calling the Canaanites "dogs". The emphasis is on the woman, not Jesus. The whole deal with kids and dogs is a parable. It can get really deep if you've read into it.

So I don't think 'fvck everyone who isn't Christian' is a tenet of Christianity. I see a lot of preachy, churchy people on facebook who think we should murder all the muslims. I don't think they understand their own religion very well.

No one has said, "F*ck everyone who isn't a Christian". You have to discern where help is truly needed/wanted and where you would be deceived/manipulated.

Why are you listening to people on facebook anyway, and judging Christianity based on that? If they are Christians, or identify with it (difference), they are still just people, and as sinful as the next. If you are basing your opinions on what other people do you are going to be misled.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Dog is the metaphor of the time for unclean. Most dogs were wild. They were scavengers and ate corpses and garbage. Calling a group of people "dogs" then was a lot more insulting than it is now.

Mark's telling of the story mentioned that the woman was from Greece. The Greeks were Pagans. Throughout the entire old testament, the Pagans are the bad guys. God hates them. The "do not make false idols" in the ten commandments means to not be a pagan. That was the most common religious idea of the time. Households would make their own little statue gods and pray to them, kind of like Jobo from Major League. A couple thousand years later, the Greeks and Romans had a god for everything. That's the competition.

 

[YawataNoKami]

BetterCallSaul , you Sir are making too much sense.Better be careful. Libertards in this forum might not like it.

 

[Married Buried]

I am usually democrat but I am voting for Trump! Women I know say the hate him he is an assh0le. I tell them I am voting for him twice.

 

[prison/con.net]

Many women would vote for hillary if she had snakes crawling out of her ears, just cause she's (technically) female. They are pos's for "feeling" that way, too.

 

[Bible_Belt]

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