"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Treat like ****
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Randallpink83
Master Don Juan
welcome to the forums
I used to be very nice guy,but now trying to not buy into women frame when im with them,although did not find much info like whats to treat like SH1t when on date ? or after knowing for sometime
thanks for great resource im reading good stuff here
LostAndConfused
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Treating women like sh1t is the thing you don't want to get caught up in.
You don't want to treat women like sh1t. You'll be seen as an @sshole. However, there are traits in an @sshole that women like, which is why many AFC's (average, frustrated chumps) say that women only like @$$holes and guys who treat them like sh1t. It's not necessarily true. But....***holes get theirs. They know what they want, and they don't come off as nice guys.
You can be a sexual man and not be an ***hole, and that's what you should strive to become. Approach women in the way a sexual being should. Be confident. I think what you are trying to avoid is getting the LJBF (lets just be friends) talk.
Since I don't know what your asking specifically on a date, here are a few pointers to help you out:
1) Men lead. Boys and Friend-zoned AFC's follow. You tell the girl where you are going to go on the date.
2) Stay confident, don't be too clingy (you know what I mean).
3) Be scarce. That means don't hold onto your cellphone waiting for her next call or text message to respond to immediately. When you are scarce, not always there, she's wondering what you are doing and that mystery factor can work in your favor. You can even work this on dates. If you take a girl out to the movies, focus on the movie. Just up and leave the movie and go to the bathroom, get some popcorn and drinks, then come back at a reasonable time, so as not to keep her waiting so look that she leaves and looks for you (it's worked for me before, lol).
im just telling im looking only for friends with benefits ,
"Treating women like sh1t is the thing you don't want to get caught up in."
I dont mean im going to use this all time ,would be nice to know from your experience
whats exactly treating like sh1t
is this like negging,
specific examples if possible
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Im not needy,
im getting better at identifying between (yes/maybe/NO)
I have got too many rejections and will get more rejections and i know that
Please post If you did something specifically thats treating like SH!!T ,either first meet or after knowing for sometime
reset said:
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
CrunchyNut
Don Juan
theres not much around like what exactly treating like sh!!t
doesnt mean this is something to do all times ,once in a while ,maybe gives emotional rollercoaster
are you nice to girls all the time ? (this never worked for me,learning now)
Friend_ofa_Friend said:
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
The Juan and only
Master Don Juan
Roja, please don't treat women "like sh1t", they don't deserve it (and neither do you).
[Reset is on the ball here]
believe me
to treak someone like Sh!!t is really not easy for me
someone learning life reality from growing up nice and doing job to serve society.
society Fcuks nice guys really good in all ways.
The Juan and only said:
The Juan and only
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Not from my perspective. Assertive is always better than rude, my friend.roja said:
I think when you experience your first major burn, and you think about it, it feels just like you were too nice, like the other guy got her because he's more rough and tumble, more of an a55hole. You read the carefully written and manipulative marketing texts of David Deangelo and the like, while all the time thinking "yeah, this is actually what happened".
Wrong. Don't be manipulated that way, or be so narrow minded you can't see that women are more like us than we often realise. Yes, in general being strong and assertive, funny and [often neglected] socially aware is important and will help you a lot (notice how I never mentioned being mean or an a55hole). But never think for a second that it's even close to that simple.
SharinganUser
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daygameguy
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Attractive qualities in a man:
- Social value
- Smile
- Humor
- Intelligence
- Confidence
- Looks - being well groomed, looking comfortable and masculine/sexual.
Focus on developing the above traits in yourself
Negging, if you are into it, is NOT treating women like shi1. It's simply playful teasing, like you tease your little sister/niece. Do you treat her like SH1t? NO. I hope you get the point.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.