"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Totally pussed out last night

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I had a girl over. She made pop corn and we watched a movie. The whole time I had my arm around her. I was rubbing her shoulder. I was leaning up against her. I was stroking her hair. I was even rubbing the inside of her thigh. At no point did she seem to reject any of these advances. I was looking her right in the eye.

I knew I was getting a green light. But I don't know why. I just couldn't pull the trigger. I knew that I should make a move, but I didn't. Something kept holding me back. So I just kept talking. Logically, I knew what I had to do, but I just couldn't do it. I'm sure this girl was really dissapointed. She stuck around until almost 3 AM on a weekday. I wonder if she thinks I'm gay?

Honestly, I am so disappointed in myself. All this time, I've been frustrated about my lack of success with women. And yet here I was with a blue eyed, blonde haired beauty in the privacy of my apartment. I had all kinds of kino going. And I just choked......

I trust the things I've learned here. I believe in it. I've seen it work with my own eyes. Yet when it came down to it, I just couldn't do it :mad:

I am a little shocked. I set everything but I just couldn't close. Has anyone ever experienced anything like this before?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Unbridled_Phoenix

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Waking Up said:
Next time remember Nike.
So if he is having trouble getting his nerve up, he should open a sweat shop in Malaysia? jk

Just do it.
 

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Yeh i believe it's a common fear amongst first timers. I've felt it b4.
 

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Escalation is scary at the beginning, but once you get over it you find how simple things really get. The only difference between guys who get layed and guys who don't is that they ESCALATE. You are a man with needs, there is no shame in trying. I used to have this crutch where if I was with a girl that seemed really cute and innocent I would almost feel bad for even trying to have sex with her. Fvck that! Seriously, if it's not you then it's going to be somebody else, so go balls deep in that chick and claim your territory. This became apparently obvious to me one night when I was with a cute little virgin girl. She wasn't my girlfriend, but we had talked a lot. I did not expect her to have sex with me, at least not until we were dating. One night we found ourselves in a heated make out session at her house. I decided to test the limits a little bit so I slid my hands up her shirt. She didn't say a word. I moved my hands up furthered and cupped her breasts. Still nothing. Shocked, I removed my hands from where they were and put them back on her face, but later on I was thinking, nah fvck that I'm going to go for the gold. I then slid my hands under her bra and felt her up. Then down the pants, then came off the pants, and so on.. Seriously, there is no shame in trying. If you get turned down it's not the end of the world. Also it could just be a sh!t test. You don't know how many times I've heard "Uh, I don't think we should be doing this" and then waking up completely butt-ass naked to her the next day. Do what feels right and do it the moment you think about it, don't hesitate or give yourself too much time to think otherwise you're head is going to get quickly filled up with doubt. Take action.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Well, it looks like I didn't kill the attraction just yet. She's coming over again tonight. Wish me luck!
 

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Get some wine out for both of you to calm the mood, then get your d1ck out a pump the sh1t out of her.
 

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You have to start by getting into the habit of escalating without hesitation first.

Once you get used to 'pulling that trigger' which you didn't, it becomes almost effortless the second time. You'll eventually grow numb to the feelings of fear to make the move.

Here's another mental trick. Think of kissing, as rubbing her shoulders, then the intensity of fear will diminish.
 

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I'm pleased to report success! So I had her over again last night. This time she was dressed in some really tight short shorts and a revealing tank top. We were watching another movie. I was totally feeling up her legs and her thighs. The kino was even stronger this time.

When I finally went for it I gave her a bit of a hug and put my forehead against hers. Not only did she not resist, I was very surprised by her response! I was going for a peck on the lips at first. But she immediately gave me a whole lot of tongue. The first kiss was a very wet makeout session. And this is one of those "innocent" types.

She said she was waiting for that. Needless to say, I had a good time last night.

Thanks for the help guys.
 

ChalengeGuyFan

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Pfaa, I'm going through something similar, but have yet to kick the fear out.
Shytty stuff.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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ChalengeGuyFan said:
Pfaa, I'm going through something similar, but have yet to kick the fear out.
Shytty stuff.
Well, I managed to kick the fear out. If I can, there's no reason you can't. In fact the girl I was referring to in the original post left just a few minutes ago after a booty call :cool:

Honestly, what I've realized is that if he girl is letting you touch her and feel her up, she has already made up her mind and given you the green light. There's no need to look for a "perfect moment." In fact, if you wait too long, she'll lose interest.

I've been talking to this girl for a few months now. And honestly, I realize now that I could have banged her ages ago. As soon as a girl lets you start putting your hands on her without objecting, get ready to bang.
 

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ElGuapo said:
I'm pleased to report success! So I had her over again last night. This time she was dressed in some really tight short shorts and a revealing tank top. We were watching another movie. I was totally feeling up her legs and her thighs. The kino was even stronger this time.

When I finally went for it I gave her a bit of a hug and put my forehead against hers. Not only did she not resist, I was very surprised by her response! I was going for a peck on the lips at first. But she immediately gave me a whole lot of tongue. The first kiss was a very wet makeout session. And this is one of those "innocent" types.

She said she was waiting for that. Needless to say, I had a good time last night.

Thanks for the help guys.
You did well, young padawan! You just leveled up. Put your points in Seduction and Kino. :)
 

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Even though you wussied out the first time, you got her hot and bothered, and she probably wondered that night why you didn't get farther.

So it worked FOR you that time. You unintentionally built up ALOT of anticipation. This drives them wild.

The second time you said she wore something sexier, which proves that she WAS indeed thinking why you didn't go further.

Sounds like you're pretty inexperienced. I'm not exactly experienced myself, but I can tell you that it's only going to get easier to physically escalate as time goes on. Just don't repress the sexual beast within yourself.
 
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