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Please allow me to repost what I posted earlier:

Socialism by nature is authoritarian:

1) Impose high taxes for ridiculous reasons to keep people perpetually poor

2) Pass excessive and unnecessary regulations to prevent small business start ups that can disrupt and challenge the status quo

The super wealthy love socialism because it's a trojan horse for an economic caste system that protects their comfortable position and wealth....
That’s a funny (and incorrect) definition of socialism.
 

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That’s a funny (and incorrect) definition of socialism.
Dont forget about the my post about the 3rd pillar of socialism:

Socialism is also dependent on censorship of free speech, because free speech will expose its inherent flaws and contradictory doctrines.....

Which is why Cancel Culture is a leftwing tactic to silence all criticism..... If socialism wasn't flawed, they would not resort to censorship.
 

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Spin is irrelevant. You are contradicting yourself. Capitalism does not work. It can’t work, because of human nature. We can’t fit a square into a round opening.
I’m not contradicting myself, you’re just conflating two things that happen to share a similar aspect to them. Not my fault you can’t understand nuance.
 

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Please allow me to repost what I posted earlier:

Socialism by nature is authoritarian:

1) Impose high taxes for ridiculous reasons to keep people perpetually poor

2) Pass excessive and unnecessary regulations to prevent small business start ups that can disrupt and challenge the status quo

The super wealthy love socialism because it's a trojan horse for an economic caste system that protects their comfortable position and wealth....
Man I was debating with myself earlier whether I was going to waste my effort responding to this. I guess I will.

You are so deeply lost in your own echo chamber, I am really wondering if you are clinically delusional. I don't mean that in an insulting way, I am serious and matter of fact. The super wealthy love "socialism"? I honestly don't know what you are talking about anymore. I guess that means you are now saying the Soviet Union for example wasn't socialist, since the super wealthy people in Russia weren't exactly "protected in their comfortable position". And I guess this also means any candidate who would support higher progressive marginal taxes on the FIRE sector like in the Eisenhower era is actually an anti-socialist now too? So Bernie Sanders would be a hardcore anti-socialist.

Your delusional opinion about what the "socialism" boogeyman is is so poorly researched and defined that you make up a Schrödinger's Socialism. It's whatever bad boogeyman you need it to be, done by whoever, from Blue Dog Democrats to regular Democrats to communists in the Soviet Union to libertarian socialists in Revolutionary Catalonia to social democrats in Europe, they are all just a multiheaded hydra or Borg monster out to get you. In some sense this Schrödinger's Socialism does make sense, because they are all "the enemy" for you, and this makes them all "bad" - so it doesn't matter whether there are any differences between them, what the differences are, or even if it makes any sense whatsoever to group Blue Dog Democrats together with libertarian socialists. They are still just all a monolithic "bad".

At least try to keep your own definition of the socialism boogeyman internally consistent. This Schrödinger's Socialism is just bizarre.
 
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Man I was debating with myself earlier whether I was going to waste my effort responding to this. I guess I will.

You are so deeply lost in your own echo chamber, I am really wondering if you are clinically delusional. I don't mean that in an insulting way, I am serious and matter of fact. The super wealthy love "socialism"? I honestly don't know what you are talking about anymore. I guess that means you are now saying the Soviet Union for example wasn't socialist, since the super wealthy people in Russia weren't exactly "protected in their comfortable position".

Your delusional opinion about what the "socialism" boogeyman is is so poorly researched and defined that you make up a Schrödinger's Socialism. It's whatever bad boogeyman you need it to be, done by whoever, from Blue Dog Democrats to regular Democrats to communists in the Soviet Union to libertarian socialists in Revolutionary Catalonia to social democrats in Europe, they are all a monolithic Borg monster out to get you. In some sense this Schrödinger's Socialism does make sense, because they are all "the enemy" for you, and this makes them all "bad" - so it doesn't matter whether there are any differences between them or what the differences are, they are still just all a monolithic "bad".

Why can't you even keep yourself to reality when you attack your boogeyman?
Why would you try to suggest that someone who has a negative opinion of socialism to be delusional simply because it's a different point of view from yours?

If socialism ever became doctrine in the US, should I be committed to an insane asylum because I express my opinion about it?....Cancel Culture in full effect.....
 

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Why would you try to suggest that someone who has a negative opinion of socialism to be delusional simply because it's a different point of view from yours?

If socialism ever became doctrine in the US, should I be committed to an insane asylum because I express my opinion about it?....Cancel Culture in full effect.....
Don't you see how your own definition of socialism is internally contradictory?

"Cancel Culture in full effect", lol. I guess you are just trolling me.
 

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Don't you see how your own definition of socialism is internally contradictory?

"Cancel Culture in full effect", lol. I guess you are just trolling me.
There is nothing contradictory about what I wrote:

Socialism by its nature is authoritarian. It requires excessive taxation and unnecessary regulation to keep people perpetually poor (an economic caste system).

It requires censorship of free speech to maintain its grip on power because free speech points out its flaws, flaws that cannot be logically defended.
 

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There is nothing contradictory about what I wrote:

Socialism by its nature is authoritarian. It requires excessive taxation and unnecessary regulation to keep people perpetually poor (an economic caste system).

It requires censorship of free speech to maintain its grip on power because free speech points out its flaws, flaws that cannot be logically defended.
Now you're trying to change the goal posts. You said that "The super wealthy love socialism because it's a trojan horse for an economic caste system that protects their comfortable position and wealth....". So did the super wealthy people in Russia love the Soviet Union or not?
 

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Now you're trying to change the goal posts. You said that "The super wealthy love socialism because it's a trojan horse for an economic caste system that protects their comfortable position and wealth....". So did the super wealthy people in Russia love the Soviet Union or not?
Then please allow me to present you the current champion of socialism: Bernie Sanders, a millionaire that owns 3 houses who wants to tax everyone else into the poor house....

Or Mar Ruffalo whose net worth is around $35M but is now calling for socialism...

I can present you some more if you'd like.
 

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Then please allow me to present you the current champion of socialism: Bernie Sanders, a millionaire that owns 3 houses who wants to tax everyone else into the poor house....

Or Mar Ruffalo whose net worth is around $35M but is now calling for socialism...

I can present you some more if you'd like.
He and his wife inherited a home that they then sold to buy another one. He also, like all senators, has a home in DC. Then he had his own home. He owes mortgage debt and financed the homes largely through his authorship. And as a social democrat, Bernie doesn't even have it as a goal to abolish private house ownership. I know you were never interested in what the facts are, but I won't let you twist and smear them so egregiously.

I've never heard of Mar. A quick googling showed he endorsed Bernie, meaning he endorsed social democracy. That's not socialism, but simply the left wing of capitalism. Eisenhower had way higher marginal tax rates on richer people than you have today (mostly unless they reinvested it in enterprise in which case there was exemption, but I know that's an inconvenient little fact), the US wasn't socialist back then. And why would it be so deplorable for a richer person to endorse social democracy? is it somehow a proof of their immorality or a secret conspiracy that they seem willing to be less selfish?

I'm good bro, it's already visible to anyone with a working memory and at least one functional eye that you avoided answering my question. I guess if you spend long enough in a pitch-black echo chamber, you forget what it looks like to go up against someone who will both actually fact check and logically analyze your arguments, so I understand why you got a little off the rails there before you snapped back a centimeter closer to reality.
 
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He and his wife inherited a home that they then sold to buy another one. He also, like all senators, has a home in DC. Then he had his own home. He owes mortgage debt and financed the homes largely through his authorship. And as a social democrat, Bernie doesn't even have it as a goal to abolish private house ownership. I know you were never interested in what the facts are, but I won't let you twist and smear them so egregiously.

I've never heard of Mar. A quick googling showed he endorsed Bernie, meaning he endorsed social democracy. That's not socialism, but simply the left wing of capitalism. Eisenhower had way higher marginal tax rates on richer people than you have today (mostly unless they reinvested it in enterprise in which case there was exemption, but I know that's an inconvenient little fact), the US wasn't socialist back then. And why would it be so deplorable for a richer person to endorse social democracy? is it somehow a proof of their immorality or a secret conspiracy that they seem willing to be less selfish?

I'm good bro, it's already visible to anyone with a working memory and at least one functional eye that you avoided answering my question. I guess if you spend long enough in a pitch-black echo chamber, you forget what it looks like to go up against someone who will both actually fact check and logically analyze your arguments, so I understand why you got a little off the rails there before you snapped back a centimeter closer to reality.
Your fact checking confirmed that Bernie owns 3 homes and is part of the wealthy class, so how did I smear him? What you refer to as a "smear" are just facts inconvenient to your narrative....

You say you can logically analyze my arguments yet you ignore what I wrote about Cancel Culture and excessive taxation as being part of socialistic authoritarianism.
 
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Im hardly aware of any poor area in Europe that is voting for socialist candidates while in those countries that experienced socialism for real many things that socialism supports only get violent reaction from citizens.

Same thing is being for open borders, for some reason its always wealthy districts with low immigrants living there that support it.
Cant really tell if they are "nice" or simply want more slaves to do their work for few quids.
 

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Well looks like I called it right: When their own personal wealth is at stake these White liberals will show their true colors....


 

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Your fact checking confirmed that Bernie owns 3 homes and is part of the wealthy class
Bernie is worth about 3 mil. It takes a net worth of over 10 mil to crack the top 1% in the US and about 5 mil to make the top 5%.

And those percentiles are just as skewed within each percentile as the overall wealth distribution. The one percenters are usually worth a lot more than just ten million.
 

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Bernie is worth about 3 mil. It takes a net worth of over 10 mil to crack the top 1% in the US and about 5 mil to make the top 5%.

And those percentiles are just as skewed within each percentile as the overall wealth distribution. The one percenters are usually worth a lot more than just ten million.
There's really no need to do damage control for Bernie anymore, his time has passed and he'll fade into irrelevancy.

On a side note: Bernie publicly stated that he'll campaign on Biden's behalf once Biden wins the nomination. But both Biden and Bernie have been completely absent from the scene these past 2 months - no campaign ads, no phone banking, no interviews, no media appearances.....

Also Tom Steyer and Bloomberg have stated they'll campaign against Trump but they've also been silent as well....

I dont really think the Democrats want to win the Presidency because Trump is a good boogeyman on which they can fundraise well into 2024.... He's a ratings-machine and a money-machine...

They'll try to retain the House and take the Senate, but it looks like they've passed on the Presidency.....
 

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Trump is a good boogeyman on which they can fundraise well into 2024.... He's a ratings-machine and a money-machine...
What does it tell you when donations pour in from everywhere, just to oppose trump? He is so widely hated that they don't need a platform. Their platform is that they are not him...and boom, that gets 60% of the vote immediately.
 

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What does it tell you when donations pour in from everywhere, just to oppose trump? He is so widely hated that they don't need a platform. Their platform is that they are not him...and boom, that gets 60% of the vote immediately.
But 60% of the popular vote doesnt matter.... As we saw in 2016 and 2000....

I have this weird gut instinct that the Democrats will rig the election to help Trump win.... They want to milk this money machine well into 2024. Political parties are more than just about winning elections, they're ("non-profit") corporations that constantly need funding. The Democrats have learned that it's sometimes more profitable to lose than it is to win....
 
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