"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Why are you here?

From a purely academic perspective. What made you, as women, search out and sign up for (in general, or this particular) male-centric dating-and-seduction forum?

I'm not trying to deliberately start arguments here. I just want to know why you came, why you stayed, and what your life circumstances are that feed into the answers to both those questions.

Merci.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Duh because they want to learn how to pickup women. Why else would WOMEN waste their "precious" time snooping around a GUY'S FORUM learning attraction to get women?
 

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well, all I know is this forum needs more of them (not the lesbian kind, the straight ones).

Alot of guys on here want to improve themselves with women. Knowing the woman's point of view on things will certainly help a man improve himself in this area. So therefore, having female posters are invaluable, becuase they are the experts on the female point of view, not men. Theyre the experts because they are women, they would know.

I say bring more of them in here, alot of guys on here need help bad, and are clueless as to understanding women. Asking another clueless guy for advice is no help, which I see alot going on in this forum.
 

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God_of_getting_layed said:
Knowing the woman's point of view on things will certainly help a man improve himself in this area. So therefore, having female posters are invaluable, becuase they are the experts on the female point of view, not men. Theyre the experts because they are women, they would know
I actually disagree with this idea, pretty strongly.

If you understand women very well you quickly learn that women are HORRIBLE at giving romantic or relationship advice.

A lot of them say things like "Buy her flowers" or "Go apologize to her" or "Be nice" or "Just be yourself" or what not.

This is a prescription for how women WANT guys to act, precisely so that THEY (the women) can be SELECTIVE and CHOOSE which guys to sleep with...

(rather than guys coming in and CHOOSING which fit birds they will sleep with).

I'm not saying the women on this forum have given bad advice like the above -- I honestly haven't been paying attention or seen them give any advice. I don't even know which regular posters are women.

I'm just saying, IN GENERAL, women will give romance and even sexual advice that keeps the power squarely in their own court -- and this is frequently deadly to attraction and seduction.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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thirtyplus said:
I actually disagree with this idea, pretty strongly.

If you understand women very well you quickly learn that women are HORRIBLE at giving romantic or relationship advice.

A lot of them say things like "Buy her flowers" or "Go apologize to her" or "Be nice" or "Just be yourself" or what not.

This is a prescription for how women WANT guys to act, precisely so that THEY (the women) can be SELECTIVE and CHOOSE which guys to sleep with...

(rather than guys coming in and CHOOSING which fit birds they will sleep with).

I'm not saying the women on this forum have given bad advice like the above -- I honestly haven't been paying attention or seen them give any advice. I don't even know which regular posters are women.

I'm just saying, IN GENERAL, women will give romance and even sexual advice that keeps the power squarely in their own court -- and this is frequently deadly to attraction and seduction.
I agree 100 percent. No offense to the nice lady who comes on this fourm....BUT...women should be BANNED from this forum. If women were allowed here they would LEAD so many of us astray. They would say all sorts of things. Like "we like nice guys" "I don't like athletes that much" "I don't care how much money he makes" "It's all about personality" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These are all LIES.
 

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thirtyplus said:
I actually disagree with this idea, pretty strongly.

If you understand women very well you quickly learn that women are HORRIBLE at giving romantic or relationship advice.

A lot of them say things like "Buy her flowers" or "Go apologize to her" or "Be nice" or "Just be yourself" or what not.
Thank you for stereo typing women on how they give advice. Not all women give false advice, not all women would even give that kind of lame advice.

Your forgetting about the women who tell it like it is. And wont be afraid to tell you that you failed becuase your too short or becuase women dont like guys with small d1cks. Its these women who give yo the brutal but true female perspective that are invaluable.

You see, there are women who give bad advice, and there are women who give the good advice. Same with men, there are men who give good advice, and men who give bad advice.

Your pointing to an example of a woman giving bad advice, and then using it to justify why a man gives better advice. But what if they guy is giving bad advice? I noticed you didnt say anything about that.

The women who give the brutal true female point of view are far greater of value than the men who give good advice.

Your acting like women are the only ones who can give bad advice, and when they do give good advice, it will never compare to a man who is giving good advice. So far from the truth.
 

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rakishness said:
I agree 100 percent. No offense to the nice lady who comes on this fourm....BUT...women should be BANNED from this forum. If women were allowed here they would LEAD so many of us astray. They would say all sorts of things. Like "we like nice guys" "I don't like athletes that much" "I don't care how much money he makes" "It's all about personality" LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These are all LIES.
funny, Ive never actually heard a girl say "we like nice guys", or "its all about personality" when asking them for their 2 cents on the subject. most of te time I hear "a guy with a big d1ck" or "a guy who is tall", or "a bad boy".

Its a myth that all women give fake advice, alot tell it like it is, the brutal truth, and give real valuable advice.

Your view is very distorted, its no wonder you want them banned.

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"I don't like athletes that much"
bwahaa, all the women I talk to say they love jocks becuase theyre usually badboys and have nice bodies. what women have you been talking to?
 

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God_of_getting_layed said:
funny, Ive never actually heard a girl say "we like nice guys", or "its all about personality" when asking them for their 2 cents on the subject. most of te time I hear "a guy with a big d1ck" or "a guy who is tall", or "a bad boy".

Its a myth that all women give fake advice, alot tell it like it is, the brutal truth, and give real valuable advice.

Your view is very distorted, its no wonder you want them banned.


bwahaa, all the women I talk to say they love jocks becuase theyre usually badboys and have nice bodies. what women have you been talking to?

WOW...really. I can't even imagine a girl ACTUALLY admitting she likes guys with big d!cks. Unless she was drunk. I would like to meet the girls you hang around.
 

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WOW...really. I can't even imagine a girl ACTUALLY admitting she likes guys with big d!cks. Unless she was drunk. I would like to meet the girls you hang around.
Im sure you would. :)
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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It seems like we hang around different types of girls completely. Your girls actually speak the TRUTH. And seem LOGICAL. Two words that are hard to find with todays hotties.
 

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um, usually the hotties are the ones who are shallow enough of a b1tch to say things like that.
 

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thirtyplus said:
If you understand women very well you quickly learn that women are HORRIBLE at giving romantic or relationship advice. ...
You don't have to take their advice to learn from them. Scientist never listened to what rats had to say but they learned from them none the less.
 

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thirtyplus said:
Why are you here?

From a purely academic perspective. What made you, as women, search out and sign up for (in general, or this particular) male-centric dating-and-seduction forum?

I'm not trying to deliberately start arguments here. I just want to know why you came, why you stayed, and what your life circumstances are that feed into the answers to both those questions.

Merci.
First off, it amuses me to see that the first dozen posts on this thread are by men. But no worries.

Why am I here? Honestly, by accident. I was at some other website (don't remember rightly now...) and it had a link to sosuave. I poked around, read quite a few of the articles, agreed with some parts, disagreed with others, and shook my head at some peoples' attempts at rationalizing how women think/feel/etc. Later, I poked back again and checked out the forum. Admittedly, at first I just read as a lurker because the content greatly amused me, but often I'd read a thread topic that generalized women by saying "All women are ___" or "Women want ___" or etc etc, and I'd think, "Hey, I'm not!" So I figured "what the heck?" and got an account.

However, I never try to mislead anyone with bad/fake advice. I consider myself an honest person and fair when passing judgement. Also, I'm not one of those prissy, gossipy girly girls, which impacts my opinions and advice, and different than what this forum probably envisions as a "standard woman". For example, (as many of you may know), my boyfriend (bless him), is a native Asian, 3-4 inches shorter than me, and really doesn't have much money. I'm no blonde jersey-chaser. ^_~

And I would NEVER say that women just want a "nice guy". ;)

So I guess I'm here out of pure chance, amusement, and (although my advice and opinions should never be taken as a representation of ALL women) to throw some thoughts out there to show that not all women are golddiggers, wh0res, b1tches, muscle munchers, back stabbers, etc.

Derien. (Ouais, je parle le francais, mes sur l'internet mes accents ne marchent pas, zut.)
 

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PeterNorthisawesome said:
Duh because they want to learn how to pickup women. Why else would WOMEN waste their "precious" time snooping around a GUY'S FORUM learning attraction to get women?
Hahaha! Any time I spend on the net certainly isn't "precious". I suppose it does seem weird, a woman reading a male-oriented forum...on another note, it really is interesting to see how some men out there think, what confuses them about women, and how their thought process differs from mine. But don't worry, this isn't a science experiment or anything like that.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I guess I should seek out some female relationship forums to get an idea of hoow girls think - but then again, the HB9 that I'm after wouldn't be the type to whine about men on a messageboard.
 

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ME! You want to ban MEEEE????? Dude! I'm on your side! :cheer:

You'll never hear me say that you should buy flowers, candy or hand her your balls on a plate. There are women out there who are stupid little ho's that are trying to act like Paris Hilton for no other reason than they are female. There are also women out there who are decent, classy and deserve flowers now and then. :flowers: Hopefully I can help you figure out which you have on your hands.

Thirtyplus-You just got here! What the hell did the women of this forum do to get you pissed off already?????

And yeah! I'll admit it SIZE MATTERS!
 

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nonchalant said:
I guess I should seek out some female relationship forums to get an idea of hoow girls think - but then again, the HB9 that I'm after wouldn't be the type to whine about men on a messageboard.
I meant how a certain population of men think, not the entire population on a whole. It's my general belief that the people who rely on such websites for ALL the advice they receive really aren't ready/prepared for/adept at acheiving the goal in real life--in this case, success with women. Naturally not all men will contemplate women and relationships like some of the people on this forum, to assume so would be ludicrous.
 

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I have actually been given good advice from women before. She told me out of all the things that worked best to get her attention, it was recieving mixed signals.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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