To flirt or not to flirt? according to Pook

[thechosenone2190]

I don't understand. Are we supposed to flirt or not? What is flirting? According to Anti-Dump and Pook, men are not supposed to flirt.

Here are some quotes by Pook, which seem to contradict one another:

"A guy does not flirt with chicks (unless he is working, thus captive, and has nothing else better to occupy his mind). A guy ASKS out the chick to show he’s interested."

"Guys should not flirt. Women flirt. The job of guys is to ask for the number and to call for the date. This cuts through all women's games."

"Key One: Her sexuality and YOURS shall be embraced...Key Two: Fun shall be the focus..."

"Eye contact is very important. You DO NOT stop it."

"Third Channel: Touch If you feel it in your gut, do it! If you do not have "Ooh la la" in your head, you will do something completely off. So touch her when you think you should, kiss here when you think you should, and so on."

So from what I can gather, flirting does not equate to touching, maintaining eye contact, having fun, and being sexual with chicks. What is flirting then? What is Pook referring to when he says "Guys should not flirt"?

Also, what does Pook mean by the following quote?

"One difference from those old Nice Guy days is that I've gained 30 + pounds of muscle mass, dress better, talk better, more confidant, etc. I am ALREADY a Sexual Being. If I start kinoing a girl now, I will be seen as coming on too strong and too desperate."

So if I bulk up, I should stop kinoing girls? Is that what Pook is saying?

 

[FairShake]

In my experience you usually have to flirt. You have a lay down the track before the train comes through.

The secret to being successful with women is less about being a bad ass and take charge and more about being socially calibrated. To most girls outside of hook up situations (clubs and bars) just asking them out without flirty conversation comes across as weird. It's only a little better than asking out through friends or using notes like shy guys did in high school.

I think the DJ Bible and Pook are more about motivating men than an actual how-to guide.

 

[PapiChulo]

Some of his stuff can be interpreted in more than one way and at times he is not clear at all like any other philosophical text.


What he means by "no flirt" is the "subtle flirt", referring to the fact that you dont need to actually hit on women (going overboard with too much of the sexual stuff), but rather put yourself into this sexually and romantically charged mode where you already give off this vibe: "I've gained 30 + pounds of muscle mass, dress better, talk better, more confidant, etc. I am ALREADY a Sexual Being." In other words what he did there is already a flirt in its own way and you hardly need any technical game.



The other thing is the direct/indirect game, because flirt falls mostly under the later category. What you want is proficiency in both types of game, because this way you will be able to apply it depending on situation.

You should be flirty at first anyway (outside the bar/club) to show that you are playful and fun, and use it to show your interest in case you have already been rejected, etc.

Direct game: when without a prolong wait or flirt you cut through all bias and actually ask the woman out confidently, directly and clear about intentions, thus showing your interest.

I use a hybrid of the two - playful but direct as in "clear about my intentions", BUT I am playful with everyone and tease on pretty much everyone as well, etc. If I didnt do that I would be about playing down my personality.


Lastly is this thing. There are women in certain age categories who wait for you to do everything, including the flirt, showing the interest, whole nine yards. They are lazy, princessy or whatever, and sit on their as*es for you to come over. You still have to initiate it and validate them because they also afraid of rejection, lowering their social status. etc.

You still have to flirt unless you are practically blessed with good-looks, mine, talents, etc. It's also fun and natural once you are in the right state of mind, then it's hard not to flirt. Just dont do any gay flirting and you should be OK.


Also would you stop touching people you empathize with if you gained 30+ lbs and started to dress better?

 

[HolyG]

man, flirt. FLIRT. FLIRT! OP i know EXACTLY where you are...you're overthinking ****.

Pretend to have an IQ of 20 and hit on girls. Just be direct. I swear that it'll work out for you better than trying to do EVERYTHING flawlessly.